PLD cross class

[wereotter]

Maybe I'm missing a critical cross class ability here, but anyone else thinking that we should address what cross class skills I can take from conjurer? Protect and Stoneskin are great, but Cure is pitiful and Raise is absolutely useless since I can't cast it in battle.

I'd love to see these adjusted so that either a PLD can raise in battle, or, more ideally, I can cross class Esuna instead. I think being able to cleanse at lease myself in battle would make PLD a lot more useful in fights that have a lot of status effect issues than being able to take things like Cure.

[AlexiIvaniskavich]

Stoneskin is really the only thing you really need from conjurer. Foresight, Blood Bath and Mercy Stroke should all be on your bar (all from marauder).

After that, it's.... MEH. Protect is only useful if people are dying a lot in content as your healer handles this at the beginning. Un-traited Fracture is a DPS loss (and kills more TP on a class that floors TP in 3 minutes), but it can be useful in highly situational scenario's.

Clemency is much better than cure, non battle raise is pretty pointless, and skull sunder is simply sorry as you can't combo it.

[wereotter]

Exactly my point, there are 5 slots and once you get those other three, I also have those same three effects from marauder, there really isn't any other skill to cross class that feels "worth it". I guess I'm just looking at an overall picture that while other paladins might not want to use esuna, it does seem like a useful skill to be able to have.

[Februs]

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This has been a common gripe among a lot of the jobs for a very long time, more so for Pld's than most. They have one of the worst cross-class kits in the game. It's one of the reasons why people have made numerous requests for Esuna, Invigorate, or Blood for Blood (especially considering Gld can use them but Pld can't, for some reason), to be cross class skills. That, or change Cure to scale with Str instead of Mind on Pld. Since the beginning, Pld has had an empty and "wasted" slot, but they're not the only ones.

SE received more complaints about cross class skills than Santa Clause receives wish lists at Christmas. Their response was to ignore them. They then decided to make all future jobs start at lvl 30 and have no starter classes.

[therpgfanatic]

Overpower.

I find it odd that NPC GLD / PLD will use it but player PLDs / GLD cannot. It would have made a lot of the story quests a lot freakin easier than they were considering the waves of enemies to fight.

[Ragology]

I wonder if PLD cross class skills would be better if they dumped MRD and picked up Rogue instead?

Shadeshift would be like an instant 20% stoneskin on a 2 minute cooldown, Goad adds utility and Death Blossom bring much needed AOE (though it doesn't have increased enmity.)

[Anienai]

I vote for a goad/invigorate CC ability.

[AlexiIvaniskavich]

MEH

Every job in the game has a questionable #5 cross class skill. Hell, most every job's #4 cross class skill is questionable. This isn't something new here, for anyone. (honestly, go look at BLM.... I mean really) - with exception to WAR, but let's face it, WAR is basically the golden child of FFXIV.

Conversely PLD has 3 skills that most other tanks have to cross class - Provoke, Convalesence and Awareness.

[wereotter]

It's one of the reasons why people have made numerous requests for Esuna, Invigorate, or Blood for Blood (especially considering Gld can use them but Pld can't, for some reason), to be cross class skills. That, or change Cure to scale with Str instead of Mind on Pld. Since the beginning, Pld has had an empty and "wasted" slot, but they're not the only ones.

I can agree that invigorate at least would be helpful, but the difference there would also mean that you'd have to change to be able to cross class from lancer rather than marauder. That's not nessicarily a bad thing but it would make more of a player upheaval than simply adding in other options. Paladin can already cross class from conjurer so it'd just be a difference of adding one additional option, and so could deb implemented much more easily and without a backlash from players who might not want to lose foresight or mercy stroke.

[Mirch]

I use Foresight, Bloodbath, Mercy Stroke, Protect and Stoneskin.
As for the TP "issue", I don't find it a real problem, whenever I'm low on TP (<300), and don't have a BRD/MCH/NIN in party, I cast stoneskin on me, or the party members, use flash, use clemency, or just wait 10 secs to get some TP; it is not like the world ends if the pally doesn't attack for 10 secs.