Why is so hard for newbies to learn how to raid?

[Leigaon]

...Even when i try inside my own FC, no one wants to do it or if you try and coordinate something they forget or don't respond.

That part I think is the problem. Most FC's now a days are just a mesh of people with someone who wants to run and be in control of things like FC chests and such. There is no real team coordination. When 2.0 first came out I was in a FC and the leader was astounding. Gaven had things so that not just a team completed but also made times with others to get them up to par with everyone else. Had an issue? Talk to them and someone would either have you run it until you stopped forgetting what was next, or go over rotations, internet problems..everything. Truly felt like I was part of a team, I wasn't the best but that just meant my butt had to be kicked a little harder.

This is just me though, I am in a FC now who helps new people all the time with Crafting, Gathering, Leveling etc...

It sounds mean to say but I think that you might want to try to look for a helpful FC. If you're willing to learn already? You're way ahead of the game from others who just come in and say "So..what do I do exactly?"

[Ashkendor]

I'm not saying NA/EU doesn't like to help people out, there are a couple of people who jumps in learning parties with a clear. But most players want to clear it because probably all their previous pf parties wasted too much time that made them block out inexperienced people

The funny part is, I've actually had my help turned down several times by learning parties or clear parties for Savage because I'd already cleared for the week with my static. Seriously? People that are just barely learning the content were turning down help from someone that has it on farm on account of loot they may or may not actually get to see before the next reset.

But there are some who avoid helping out like a plague because there are some (a lot) of newbies who just expected to be carried. In my server and I know someone who calls these as trap parties lol

Lol, I call them trap parties too. How serious or facetious I am about that depends on what I expected going in.

I understand where you are coming from but the reason I'm pushing so hard to learn AS1-4 is because i want to participate in endgame 3.2. Many of the statics forming for Midas want people with raid experience in alexander as a prerequisite, so how might a person like me, in my situation break this cycle? In order to get in a static for Midas I have to clear Alexander. In order to clear Alexander I have to have experience no bonus allowed. I don't have many friends on this server as is so how can i break this cycle? I read as much on my job and mechanics as possible and practice. I don't sneek into pf groups pretending to know the fight because i find that to be disrespectful to the recruitment leaders criteria. Maybe i wont ever get into end game raiding because of this barrier and should stick to crafting i dunno.

When Midas actually gets released, we'll most likely see a flurry of new statics forming. Many of them will be people just like you that lack Alexander Savage experience, largely because of how steep the learning curve on Alex actually was. A lot of people are on break from the game right now (or mostly inactive, playing other games). Just be patient and network!

[Vinta]

soon we will have dps metres like in WoW....

Uhhh... Since when?

[FunkYeahDragons]

PF is a place to start networking, as would be the ffxivrecruitment subreddit or the Gilgamesh forums.

I think there is a dearth on all servers of (visible) newbies in, well, pretty much all endgame. When I was wanting to do PVE raiding, networking with newer players was a pain and I wasn't able to find any newer raiding FCs to start building a foundation in. Now among the PVP names I know, I seem to be the only one who hasn't been here since the launch of Seal Rock, Wolves' Den, etc, and who didn't PVP for years in WoW before coming here.

It's just really weird. I sometimes wonder if the MMO genre is composed mostly of experienced players with very few true newbies trickling in and staying to become active.

I'm also on Gilgamesh by the way, and while I'm more into PVP I've helped people through EX primals and early Coil before.

[DBthaONE]

I'm not sure if this has been said, as I clearly did not read all prior pages. However, this is my 2 cents:

1. It depends on WHAT content you are trying to learn. If you are trying to learn current the raid tier, like Alex Savage, you are going to have a harder time finding people to be with you as more time progresses. This is simply because most people who raid are typically in a static group. Therefore, they already have the means to clear it themselves. Moreover,if they help another group/people clear a given floor, they may be screwing over their own static.

2. As more time progresses in a given patch cycle you'll find less people motivated to help with content, as people just don't feel engaged to play as much.

OP, your best option would be to still try to get a group now, but realize that it'll be hard in at this point. You'll probably have a better chance of creating a group after 3.2 hits. Also, if you wanna learn older content, there is nothing wrong with PF. Things that are farmable and laughably easy can get people to join. (I'd happily join a Garuda EX learning party.)stuff like raid clears, primal fights, etc, since they aren't logging on as much.

[pushin_tin]

OP, you are on NA's most populated server with the most robust raiding scene. I'm pretty sure there should be at least seven people in your boat who will join a PF learning group if you make one.

[Noshpan]

I understand how you feel, Soulbound. Exceptionally high requirements for certain end game features for PUGs have been a thing since the advent of MMOs and PUGs. Certainly the most direct solution is to start your own group and pray that your PF group fills up in a timely manner. But I've also heard the uncommon horror story of individuals who style themselves as "cutting edge endgame raider" who join learning parties and then rant and rage when there is even a single wipe. And then there's the matter of each individual in a raid may understand their role but let's say that each person has learned to respond to mechanics in different manners. And there is also group meshing.

Sure, I would like to try out Alexander savage modes, but I'm content in just doing the normal stuff when I get a chance.

[The_NPC]

Yah just keep trying & don't end up like me... a person who tried old 1st coil when it was new, saw nothing but anger & drama, left... only to dare to beat T5 the "right" way a few months ago ("right" as in unsynced & not carried at lv60) had the Titan EX quest displayed on my screen for 1.5 years... now its Ramuh EX & Ravinica EX (lucky me Thoradin EX isn't a quest or it would be there too). I know my skill level & I am a fast learner but as for self-confidence, yah thats gota be my lowest stat which is odd as I'm a PLD main >.> hehehe -_-! yah gona go back to surfing the forums now

[Bourne_Endeavor]

From the perspective of a raid leader, the honest answer I have for you is simple. We don't want to waste a raid night wiping for otherwise preventable reasons. I can understand that mindset as someone who's cleared AS1-2 every week for a while now. As for fights that we haven't cleared, it's just generally preferable to have someone who understands how to perform on their role. If we wipe because the tank popped zero cds when they were needed, there's no point in bringing them into AS3, because they would never have gotten there normally.
My advice is pretty straightforward, find a static for Midas savage. You can clear these fights in pf, but if you're 5 months late, no one on your server is likely to care if you want to learn.

And this here is why the JP servers have utterly annihilated NA and EU servers, so much in fact, every NA server combined just barely edges out Chocobo's Savage clears. What you've essentially said is, "Oh, you haven't played for as long as me? Well, sucks. Just skip Gordias now because fuck you."

I'm not saying you're wrong that the general population will have this mentality, but then I hope you're also not among the people complaining how poor the raid scene has been this past eight months.

That said, OP, your only option is to advertise seeking a learning group yourself, either via the PF, this forum or even Reddit. It will likely take time to build, but you'll eventually find enough people.

[Ashkendor]

Yah just keep trying & don't end up like me... a person who tried old 1st coil when it was new, saw nothing but anger & drama, left... only to dare to beat T5 the "right" way a few months ago ("right" as in unsynced & not carried at lv60) had the Titan EX quest displayed on my screen for 1.5 years... now its Ramuh EX & Ravinica EX (lucky me Thoradin EX isn't a quest or it would be there too). I know my skill level & I am a fast learner but as for self-confidence, yah thats gota be my lowest stat which is odd as I'm a PLD main >.> hehehe -_-! yah gona go back to surfing the forums now

Thordan EX is a quest in Mor Dhona from the same NPC you got Mistrel's Ballad: Ultima's Bane from.