Why is so hard for newbies to learn how to raid?

[Bernkastelx]

Yeah the only reason I did thordan ex was to get easy ilvl 205 weapons for the classes i didn't make my relic on. With 3.2 those weapons are going to be outdated in the upcoming week.

[Balmung_Griffin]

've got my Thordan EX Clear creating my own PFs for 3 weeks. It went from Learning to Learning post Meteors to Clear Party.

Knowing how to describe what you're looking for is very important:

One day I joined a Thordan party that said "Learning/Clear Party"

First thing I ask when we go into battle, is "Everyone seen meteors?"

Three guys were completely new to the fight, so I begin to teach them the ropes only to three tries later, the party leader disband the party "This is not going to work, this is not a clear party".

[Dgsoil]

Its just getting a little frustrating because i think i will be locked out of content for 3.2 as well.

Well, the dev team already told us that you do not have had to complete savage gordias to access savage midas, so you can get in on some of the early learning parties and have the experience this time around.

The funny thing is I had an FC in which people wanted to do things. So I set up a schedule for ex, for coil for alex for a variety of things. Built a website, had voice chat, helped people gear up and be ready. Everyone was happy happy. Then the time came to actually do something and maybe one and on the rare occasion two people would show up or be ready. I would try to accommodate my people, recruit new members, etc but it was hard to do, esp since no one wanted to help, they just wanted to complain there was "nothing to do".

If people who said they wanted to raid would be more willing to actually raid there would be a lot more raid pts and it would be a lot easier for casual or non raiders to get wins.

I spent so much time trying to make my FC work that I fell behind myself. I closed my FC and put it on an alt and have been looking for a group. Nope no one wants me because I am not caught up.

It stinks.

This is part of the problem, a lot of people like to talk but don't like to 'do' very much. And it's the cause of static raids sticking to themselves more and more over time. If seven other people commit to doing something then you don't show up the day you have it planned with no warning, why would they want to try to keep making plans with you over and over again to be disappointed when they could just find a more reliable person and actually get things done? Your time may be valuable, but no more so then the other seven people, and that is something people tend to forget all too easily when they get so self absorbed and complain about no one helping them. In your case it seems like you did everything you could for this group of people but they weren't willing to respect the time and effort you put in, so hopefully with this next patch you have better luck getting yourself to where you want to be instead of letting them hold you back with their indifference.

[Escha]

Some people doesn't want to waste time helping other people out. Hence the experience needed PFs.. In contrast to the Japanese servers where majority of the players are willing to people help out each other. There was a video of an ffxiv podcast about this

I'm not saying NA/EU doesn't like to help people out, there are a couple of people who jumps in learning parties with a clear. But most players want to clear it because probably all their previous pf parties wasted too much time that made them block out inexperienced people

But there are some who avoid helping out like a plague because there are some (a lot) of newbies who just expected to be carried. In my server and I know someone who calls these as trap parties lol

Good thing you can do is ask your FC to help out and most of the time they're willing to form a group because of the bonus. Best thing is to form a static. Because honestly, you won't progress content as much as you think with just PF and DF.

[Ashkendor]

I'm not saying NA/EU doesn't like to help people out, there are a couple of people who jumps in learning parties with a clear. But most players want to clear it because probably all their previous pf parties wasted too much time that made them block out inexperienced people

The funny part is, I've actually had my help turned down several times by learning parties or clear parties for Savage because I'd already cleared for the week with my static. Seriously? People that are just barely learning the content were turning down help from someone that has it on farm on account of loot they may or may not actually get to see before the next reset.

But there are some who avoid helping out like a plague because there are some (a lot) of newbies who just expected to be carried. In my server and I know someone who calls these as trap parties lol

Lol, I call them trap parties too. How serious or facetious I am about that depends on what I expected going in.

I understand where you are coming from but the reason I'm pushing so hard to learn AS1-4 is because i want to participate in endgame 3.2. Many of the statics forming for Midas want people with raid experience in alexander as a prerequisite, so how might a person like me, in my situation break this cycle? In order to get in a static for Midas I have to clear Alexander. In order to clear Alexander I have to have experience no bonus allowed. I don't have many friends on this server as is so how can i break this cycle? I read as much on my job and mechanics as possible and practice. I don't sneek into pf groups pretending to know the fight because i find that to be disrespectful to the recruitment leaders criteria. Maybe i wont ever get into end game raiding because of this barrier and should stick to crafting i dunno.

When Midas actually gets released, we'll most likely see a flurry of new statics forming. Many of them will be people just like you that lack Alexander Savage experience, largely because of how steep the learning curve on Alex actually was. A lot of people are on break from the game right now (or mostly inactive, playing other games). Just be patient and network!

[Leigaon]

...Even when i try inside my own FC, no one wants to do it or if you try and coordinate something they forget or don't respond.

That part I think is the problem. Most FC's now a days are just a mesh of people with someone who wants to run and be in control of things like FC chests and such. There is no real team coordination. When 2.0 first came out I was in a FC and the leader was astounding. Gaven had things so that not just a team completed but also made times with others to get them up to par with everyone else. Had an issue? Talk to them and someone would either have you run it until you stopped forgetting what was next, or go over rotations, internet problems..everything. Truly felt like I was part of a team, I wasn't the best but that just meant my butt had to be kicked a little harder.

This is just me though, I am in a FC now who helps new people all the time with Crafting, Gathering, Leveling etc...

It sounds mean to say but I think that you might want to try to look for a helpful FC. If you're willing to learn already? You're way ahead of the game from others who just come in and say "So..what do I do exactly?"

[FunkYeahDragons]

PF is a place to start networking, as would be the ffxivrecruitment subreddit or the Gilgamesh forums.

I think there is a dearth on all servers of (visible) newbies in, well, pretty much all endgame. When I was wanting to do PVE raiding, networking with newer players was a pain and I wasn't able to find any newer raiding FCs to start building a foundation in. Now among the PVP names I know, I seem to be the only one who hasn't been here since the launch of Seal Rock, Wolves' Den, etc, and who didn't PVP for years in WoW before coming here.

It's just really weird. I sometimes wonder if the MMO genre is composed mostly of experienced players with very few true newbies trickling in and staying to become active.

I'm also on Gilgamesh by the way, and while I'm more into PVP I've helped people through EX primals and early Coil before.

[DBthaONE]

I'm not sure if this has been said, as I clearly did not read all prior pages. However, this is my 2 cents:

1. It depends on WHAT content you are trying to learn. If you are trying to learn current the raid tier, like Alex Savage, you are going to have a harder time finding people to be with you as more time progresses. This is simply because most people who raid are typically in a static group. Therefore, they already have the means to clear it themselves. Moreover,if they help another group/people clear a given floor, they may be screwing over their own static.

2. As more time progresses in a given patch cycle you'll find less people motivated to help with content, as people just don't feel engaged to play as much.

OP, your best option would be to still try to get a group now, but realize that it'll be hard in at this point. You'll probably have a better chance of creating a group after 3.2 hits. Also, if you wanna learn older content, there is nothing wrong with PF. Things that are farmable and laughably easy can get people to join. (I'd happily join a Garuda EX learning party.)stuff like raid clears, primal fights, etc, since they aren't logging on as much.

[pushin_tin]

OP, you are on NA's most populated server with the most robust raiding scene. I'm pretty sure there should be at least seven people in your boat who will join a PF learning group if you make one.

[Noshpan]

I understand how you feel, Soulbound. Exceptionally high requirements for certain end game features for PUGs have been a thing since the advent of MMOs and PUGs. Certainly the most direct solution is to start your own group and pray that your PF group fills up in a timely manner. But I've also heard the uncommon horror story of individuals who style themselves as "cutting edge endgame raider" who join learning parties and then rant and rage when there is even a single wipe. And then there's the matter of each individual in a raid may understand their role but let's say that each person has learned to respond to mechanics in different manners. And there is also group meshing.

Sure, I would like to try out Alexander savage modes, but I'm content in just doing the normal stuff when I get a chance.