Suggestions: Keeping the Game Fun

[Caitlinzulu]

Less Grindy Relic Quest - There should be more trials, nothing too easy. This is after all a relic quest. Pretty much like how people struggled, but not too bad, with Titan HM. There can also be a certain level of open world exploration required or even soloable or group duties that really test your knowledge of the class you’ve chosen.

This has been mentioned before on the forum, relic quest has never been about difficult content, but only about a grind.
Back when i started the relic on my whm, Titan HM was an utter disaster, with countless wipes, and me just about allways getting landslided. Only because i was with fc mates did we stick it out.
If you want difficult content and not a grind go do alex savage.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

This has been mentioned before on the forum, relic quest has never been about difficult content, but only about a grind.
Back when i started the relic on my whm, Titan HM was an utter disaster, with countless wipes, and me just about allways getting landslided. Only because i was with fc mates did we stick it out.
If you want difficult content and not a grind go do alex savage.

The other problem was people were just buying their wins, essentially negating any effort it took to do the fights.

[Nandina]

This has been mentioned before on the forum, relic quest has never been about difficult content, but only about a grind.
Back when i started the relic on my whm, Titan HM was an utter disaster, with countless wipes, and me just about allways getting landslided. Only because i was with fc mates did we stick it out.
If you want difficult content and not a grind go do alex savage.

I don't think the relic should be as hard as raid content, and above I said I didn't bother gathering a team together again because the way the game is set up around linear progression. By the time the new expansion drops, all that effort is moot.

[Kaurie]

This has been mentioned before on the forum, relic quest has never been about difficult content, but only about a grind.
Back when i started the relic on my whm, Titan HM was an utter disaster, with countless wipes, and me just about allways getting landslided. Only because i was with fc mates did we stick it out.
If you want difficult content and not a grind go do alex savage.

You make it sound like Savage is easy.

It is quite possible that something is implemented as intended by design of the developers AND the playerbase doesn't actually like it. That is the case with the relic grind, it was intended, and many people don't like it.

[Caitlinzulu]

You make it sound like Savage is easy.

It is quite possible that something is implemented as intended by design of the developers AND the playerbase doesn't actually like it. That is the case with the relic grind, it was intended, and many people don't like it.

The grind for relic isnt that bad. It just depends on how quickly you want to get it. If you do your daily beast tribes and lvl 50/60 roulettes it doesnt take that long at all even. I'm taking it slow doing it this way for my second and 3rd relic.
The issue with most people is the crafted items which can cost a ton.

And I do realise Savage isnt easy.
Right now we have 3 tiers of getting weapons.
1) Relic item : easy but grindy

2) Primal weapon : slightly harder

3) Alex savage : hardest contend and prop best weapon

There is something for everyone. Just pick what suits you best. No matter what weapon you want you are going to have to work for it, being it putting in time or skill.

[Kaurie]

The grind for relic isnt that bad. It just depends on how quickly you want to get it. If you do your daily beast tribes and lvl 50/60 roulettes it doesnt take that long at all even. I'm taking it slow doing it this way for my second and 3rd relic.
The issue with most people is the crafted items which can cost a ton.

And I do realise Savage isnt easy.
Right now we have 3 tiers of getting weapons.
1) Relic item : easy but grindy

2) Primal weapon : slightly harder

3) Alex savage : hardest contend and prop best weapon

There is something for everyone. Just pick what suits you best. No matter what weapon you want you are going to have to work for it, being it putting in time or skill.

I would agree with the weapon breakdown you provided if either a) the more difficult content = better weapon or b) all the weapons were the same.

However, Relic > Thordan EX, which is pretty ridiculous imo.

That aside, the Relic just isn't fun. I like the idea of a relic weapon, but it's implementation is not done well (in my opinion).

As for how long it takes, I am well versed. I have my 210 SMN and am 30% done gathering pieces for my SCH. It's not that it's hard, or too long, it's that it isn't fun. It encourages play which makes you less interested in the game and/or burnout.

All of that said, the issue is that the OP is stating what he doesn't like, and then providing suggestions. Many people complain that people on this forum just sit around whining without providing any solid suggestions - well he did. You are more than welcome to disagree with his suggestions, but to effectively say "your suggestion is invalid, because it's always been that way' makes little sense. It being that way is the problem.

[Nandina]

I have to point out that while your cousin found a lot of that fun, there were also people who got frustrated by the NM system in XI. He may have found it thrilling to camp against others, but there were also those who found it frustrating. My husband and his best friend camped an NM for six hours, killing place holders, only to have someone come in when it spawned and reap the benefits of their hard work. That isn't fun and I doubt anyone wants to repeat that here.

I definitely want no parts of that, lol. I'd be highly annoyed if I waited that long just to not get anything done. I like XI but, like I said initially, the grind was entirely too much at times.

I would agree with the weapon breakdown you provided if either a) the more difficult content = better weapon or b) all the weapons were the same.

However, Relic > Thordan EX, which is pretty ridiculous imo.

That aside, the Relic just isn't fun. I like the idea of a relic weapon, but it's implementation is not done well (in my opinion).

As for how long it takes, I am well versed. I have my 210 SMN and am 30% done gathering pieces for my SCH. It's not that it's hard, or too long, it's that it isn't fun. It encourages play which makes you less interested in the game and/or burnout.

All of that said, the issue is that the OP is stating what he doesn't like, and then providing suggestions. Many people complain that people on this forum just sit around whining without providing any solid suggestions - well he did. You are more than welcome to disagree with his suggestions, but to effectively say "your suggestion is invalid, because it's always been that way' makes little sense. It being that way is the problem.

Definitely burned out from doing that. Once I had to start doing the same dungeons over to gather light, I was just done with relic. One guy in my FC somehow managed to get his relic done from beginning to end in about 6 days somehow, he essentially got very minimal sleep and pretty much we all saw him on PSN from like 5 am well into the night. We're all still wondering how he pulled it off. I personally don't have that level of dedication or focus. But he is also one of the members I mentioned that no longer plays the game sadly.

Oh and I'm a girl lol.

If I remember correctly, 1.0 was a lot more like FFXI and most of us probably know where that ended. Not to say that there weren't other major problems too, but the devs have made it quite clear that they're not going to make FFXIV into another FFXI, rather they want to do their own thing.

Like I said in the post, there can be an optional land mass or zones where people who enjoy this at least have the options whereas those who don't can continue with the way things are now.

[Kaurie]

Oh and I'm a girl lol.

lol, sorry my bad. If it makes you feel better people call me a she, but ima guy :P

[AnaviAnael]

I definitely want no parts of that, lol. I'd be highly annoyed if I waited that long just to not get anything done. I like XI but, like I said initially, the grind was entirely too much at times.

See, that's why I think it'd be great to have Faction Leves from 1.0 return. How the system worked was you had 3 factions and every time you did a regular leve you got points towards one of them. When you got enough points, you could do a big leve with your linkshell (didn't have FCs then) and have a chance for rewards. YOU put in the effort and YOU get the rewards. I think it would be a great alternative to traditional FFXI style HNMs.