Berserk macro?

[LordNickage]

I wouldn't ever use a macro for battle reasons regardless.
I main war, used to have macros for tanks swaps, holmgang use, and berserk. Thanks to the way macros activate, I found them all ill-suited. I'm happily macroless now.

I've been thinking about ditching my macros for Provoke and Divine Veil, because it's so damn frustrating watching them not execute properly.
But I also struggle with usage of both skills in DF when people don't pay attention. =/

[AriKitae]

I use a simple "Berserk used. Pacification in 20 seconds." macro with no sound effects because the bard I usually run with requested it after the 3.2 changes to Warden's happened. I still use it even with PUGs because it really does help.

To the healers/bards who won't cleanse JUST because a macro was used: you are the reason why Berserk isn't used more. The Warrior is doing something improve the group's synergy and communication and you decide to ruin that out of spite? Believe me, Pacification is much more annoying than a message or two in the chat, even if a sound effect is used.

Sure, let the Pacification hit if you have more important things to worry about, but ignoring out of spite is simply petty. Chances are you won't get my commendation if I think you are doing that.

On the flip side, if you are a Bard who is on it with Warden's and does your job well otherwise, you may just win out the healer for my comm. I love a good Bard.

[Tyrial]

To the healers/bards who won't cleanse JUST because a macro was used: you are the reason why Berserk isn't used more. The Warrior is doing something improve the group's synergy and communication and you decide to ruin that out of spite? Believe me, Pacification is much more annoying than a message or two in the chat, even if a sound effect is used.

If a WAR isn't using Zerk just because they're not getting cleansed then they're bad and need to fix things on their end first. There's absolutely no reason to blame a healer or bard for not cleansing pacification. If you time your rotation properly you should be negating 2.5 seconds of the pacification by having your last hit go off just as pacification lands. You can also mix in a Brutal Swing and/or Mercy Stroke if the enemy is low enough.

Having pacification cleansed is a luxury, not a necessity.

[AriKitae]

If a WAR isn't using Zerk just because they're not getting cleansed then they're bad...

I would say that most of the Warriors who would quit using Berserk due to healers and Bards not cleansing are likely inexperienced. However, I was talking about Healers and Bards who have no reason not to cleanse but don't because for some reason macros offend them contributing to such inexperienced Warrior deciding (incorrectly) that the ability is more trouble than it is worth.

I take more issue with a presumably experienced player deliberately making their tank's life more difficult than someone who hasn't had much Warrior experience making poor decisions based on their limited experiences. Yes, an experienced Warrior knows how to make the most of Berserk with or without a cleanse. That doesn't mean that it is any less immature to ignore a reasonably set up macro because a healer or Bard doesn't like being told what to do.

[Tyrial]

I would say that most of the Warriors who would quit using Berserk due to healers and Bards not cleansing are likely inexperienced. However, I was talking about Healers and Bards who have no reason not to cleanse but don't because for some reason macros offend them contributing to such inexperienced Warrior deciding (incorrectly) that the ability is more trouble than it is worth.

I take more issue with a presumably experienced player deliberately making their tank's life more difficult than someone who hasn't had much Warrior experience making poor decisions based on their limited experiences. Yes, an experienced Warrior knows how to make the most of Berserk with or without a cleanse. That doesn't mean that it is any less immature to ignore a reasonably set up macro because a healer or Bard doesn't like being told what to do.

Regardless of having time to cleanse pacification or not, it's not their responsibility. Pacify isn't going to kill you if it's not removed. Berserk macros (unless specifically asked for by a static member) are unnecessary and most times completely obnoxious. They're right up there with the 10-15 second pull macros that announce something every second with all the bells and whistles.

[Sida]

While this is awfully passive aggressive, here's an idea to healers who find berserk macro offending. Have a macro that casts your healing/shield bubble with "/p casting sacred soil/asylum. Please stand inside the shield/regen bubble". Start using that macro if the party tank uses berserk macro. See how it goes from there. It doesn't actually hinder anyone's play, but if they do take offense of it, you can point out it feels the same as their berserk macro.

[Knahli]

I can tolerate a very simple one announcing when it's activated, I don't need nor want any more than that honestly. I can sometimes find it quite obnoxious to see it used with randoms and I would never do it myself. I liked the support aspect Bard offered so I was happy to use it even before the revamp happened, regardless of the fact that it was probably less efficient. I was just happy to relieve them of an annoying debuff - though that doesn't change the fact that I can find certain macros quite annoying.

I suppose it's on par with people who tell you to LB the final boss well before it's even needed, almost as though you needed the reminder ahead of time. Personally, I don't like when people don't bother using LB until the last boss but I'm not actually going to bother them in the chat about it. It's not worth it.

[KeairaR]

If the berserk macro is 1 line short and simple macro I don't think it bothers most healers and bards. I just happen to see those macros with 5+ lines with all sound effects added, that is when I get annoyed by it(same with pulling macros).
Thought I almost never esuna that 5 sec debuff anyways, since 2 secs is already gone to casting esuna and I can use the time much better than wasting my gcds for it (dps ftw!). Besides wars do have skills to use even when they are pacified, Brutal swing, Mercy stroke, Flash and deffensive cds say hello. And top of that as someone pointed out you can negate almost half of the debuff duration by timing your hits before it.
Bards may like the macro tho if they want to do good job, but still they don't need those 10 lines long macros to know that you have debuff.

[Sida]

How much the macro annoys debends a lot about the wording. Simple line that says "berserk used" is quite fine. Even if it says "berserk used, removable debuff in x seconds" it's bearable, and explains itself to those newer players who don't yet know exactly why berserk is announced. However, macros that go to "please use leeches or esuna on me in x seconds" start crossing the obnoxious line, even worse when sounds are used. They trample right over the "useful info" to "I'm telling you how to play your class"

[Divine_Intervention]

"I'm telling you how to play your class"

If i'm in a group of friends i can reliably count on to remove pacification, i don't use a macro. If i'm in PF or DF you're damn right i'm using it, as through testing i've now found that 9/10 times i will not have pacify removed if i don't have the macro. Noisy - check. Reminder - check.
There's not even much excuse for it NOT to be cleansed now, we have all healer options and also paeon to remove. I'll stop using my macro (telling people to do their job essentially), when people stop not doing their roles expected task.

People shouldn't have to be asked to do their job, they should be actively looking for those things related to their role.