Classes vs Jobs status?

[Kabzy]

Also about the comment about smn/sch, did it fail? I thought it did great 0.o how did it fail?

There was the stats thing that people have mentioned, but that wasn't the biggest cause. The problem was that back in late 2.x, SCH was extremely good and SMN was not, compared to BLM. And the problem was that SE could not really buff any of SMNs main DPS tools, because that would also buff SCHs too. And so SMN was pretty much behind BLM towards the end because they didn't want to make SCHs even more powerful. Introducing new classes at this point would be unnecessary, but there wouldn't be any issue with them, providing they remain lv30 and below and don't split into two jobs.

Honestly I think SCH didn't fail, it did pretty damn great at 50.

I don't think anyone's saying that SMN or SCH failed, just the concept of having a class being split into two. For reasons I mentioned above, as well as the bonus attributes thing.

Edit: And no, I highly doubt they would change the ACN roots of SMN or SCH at this point. If it were to happen, it would be taken away from SCH and that would ruin the job and role balance completely. I could go into a lot more depth, but that's for the healer forums. ;p

[dinnertime]

I don't think anyone's saying that SMN or SCH failed, just the concept of having a class being split into two. For reasons I mentioned above, as well as the bonus attributes thing.

Yeah, edited to add that at the same time you posted. Still, SCH didn't really fail as a job but SMN actually did and the other points you made with buffing ACN skills being a problem that would make SCH even more powerful, which I think was the biggest issue about it as well.

[Kabzy]

Yeah, edited to add that at the same time you posted. Still, SCH didn't really fail as a job but SMN actually did which I think was the biggest issue about it as well.

That could be seen as subjective though. It wasn't ideal but good SMNs could still complete FCoB without being a hinderance to their teams. Not to mention the extra utilities they brought via Resurrection / SuperVirus. It was a safer option to bring a BLM, but I wouldn't say SMNs failed by any means. It was just the concept of not being able to buff one job without it affecting the other which failed, in my opinion.

[dinnertime]

That could be seen as subjective though. It wasn't ideal but good SMNs could still complete FCoB without being a hinderance to their teams. Not to mention the extra utilities they brought via Resurrection / SuperVirus. It was a safer option to bring a BLM, but I wouldn't say SMNs failed by any means. It was just the concept of not being able to buff one job without it affecting the other which failed, in my opinion.

I just really believe it was a weak job in 2.x. While they have more room for mistakes and mobility than BLM and the utilities, I still think BLM is a much better option because of their high DPS and infinite MP. I suppose saying that SMN failing in 2.x is quite harsh but I guess I'd call it as a weak job at the time...but not anymore.