The Mentoring Requirements... *Rant Style*

[Toguro]

So if you had only a Paladin, and never touched Bard, you'd be just as well informed on what a Bard should do as you are now and know what advice to dispense if he was doing it wrong?

Yes. Before I played MCH(I had to level Archer to 26 for Hawk's Eye), I had leveled Marauder and knew what they were. But before that I played DRG and knew what they were. It can be learned by being aware. Or by someone telling you(Before mentor era).


ADDITION: Yes but that stuff can be grasped before 60. A level 40 can teach basic tank stances, provoking etc. A lv40 Bard can teach songs.

[Gunspec]

Yes. Before I played MCH(I had to level Archer to 26 for Hawk's Eye), I had leveled Marauder and knew what they were. But before that I played DRG and knew what they were. It can be learned by being aware. Or by someone telling you(Before mentor era).

Look, Toguro, I know you just want to mentor young kids into becoming worthy opponents that you can crush.



But if you'd been paying attention, it was the guy that leveled seven different personalities that REALLY pushed Yusuke to new limits, and that's what Square Enix is trying to enforce here.

[RyuRoots]

Honeslty OP it sounds like you're just salty that you haven't played enough to meet the reqs. You can still dispense advice if you want, though much like PArcher I question your credentials to start with if you don't understand the importance of different perspectives of playing various classes.

[Lexia]

I can see the mentor program just becoming a ego stroke for those that can activate it.

[Chione]

My only issue is with the commendations because they don't mean what SE apparently thinks they mean. Perhaps it's different on the JP side of things, but here it's not at all a measure of a player's ability to help or do their job.

When they were first introduced it was nothing more than a measure of how many could be farmed in a synchronized DF with friends to get those rewards in a day. Now it seems they're typically only a show of how many people can be arsed to hand them out to the first name in the list (tank) before rushing to the exit. Most don't even do that. Honestly, I'd wager a better measure of a player's willingness to help lately would be better based on commendations given, not received.

Not that it matters really. Like another poster mentioned, I figure this mentor system will go the way of XIs, and those with the special labels will be some of the least helpful people you'll ever meet. It's a status symbol that many will treat as a trophy and because of that, I predict you'll be hard pressed to find an actual mentor-minded person in the mentor system, at least on this side of the lake.

Maybe I'm just being cynical. We'll see. Although I will meet all requirements, I don't plan on participating unless it actually turns out to be what it says it is, and not just another thing to parade around in Idyllshire.

[Evangela]

I think all the requirements are fine, except for the commendations. 300 is way too less. It should be 1000 or at least 500.

Having to play all roles to 60 is ok. You don't have to know all roles in order to teach a new dragoon how to dragoon but you'll know more if you have experienced the point of view of the other roles.

[Arrius]

I believe they are giving you that role requirement so you can join with your trainee into duty with a different role than him/her. While certainly it is possible to queue as 2x DPS, the wait time probably would set the new player off, so instead you jump in with either a healer or tank to speed up things and still instruct him/her during the dungeon.

[Toguro]

Oh! And I just remembered this one. This has nothing to do with me but the requirements exclude all "non-Heavenswardees" as they cannot be 60. Unless I am mistaken? Is that not an issue? Surely lv50 ARR veterans can teach newer players right? No?

[Lemuria]

Oh! And I just remembered this one. This has nothing to do with me but the requirements exclude all "non-Heavenswardees" as they cannot be 60. Unless I am mistaken? Is that not an issue? Surely lv50 ARR veterans can teach newer players right? No?

In all of your posts, you seem to be ignoring the whole point of having a mentor system. It's not purely for newbies, it's for people who are still levelling. That means it goes all the way to 60 for a first-time player.

The metric changes after 50 for a lot of jobs, with Black Mages juggling their new Enochian rotation, Bards getting used to Wanderer's Minuet, and even tanks having brand new rotations to slip into their usual play. How can you advise on something you have little to no experience in? Furthermore, how can you advise on DPS if you've only ever played healers? How can you advise on tanks, if you've only ever played DPS?

Your arguments are stawman at best. The whole point of the mentoring system is to be able to advise everyone, not just be a 'dragoon' specialist.

[Toguro]

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I understand what you're saying but the jobs of roles play very differently from each other and someone who specializes in Scholar, leveled Warrior, and Bard, will have a hard time helping a Paladin, Monk, or White Mage right? For the first 40 hours those 6 classes are very different from each other in my opinion. Gladiators have a hard time getting AoE aggro in comparison to a Marauder. Scholar can't teach a Conjurer nothin besides up to lv15 stuff. Archer is no where near similar to Pugilist.

This is all stuff that can most likely be learned by the mentors over time, but I'm sticking to the proposed idea that one wouldn't know anything if they haven't leveled it.