The Mentoring Requirements... *Rant Style*

[Toguro]

TL;DR: OP is salty?

If anything, these requirements are way too easy. Over 90% of my FC is already qualified without doing anything.

Oh, and yes you need to have a Tank a Healer and a DPS if you want to teach your mentor. Why? Because trying to teach someone to DRG without having the perspective of how things play out from the other 2 ends of the job-spectrum is terrible. Tanks who have played healers and DPS are generally better tanks (Because they understand how Healer DPS and DPS positional works), etc.

Yeah I'm salty. I'm more salty about dungeons than classes. I have not experienced your statement of "Tanks who have played healers and DPS are generally better tanks". The basics of tanking can be learned before 50. Just because I don't have a 60 tank doesn't mean I'm clueless about tanking. When I play, I watch everyone. I'm aware. Healers need to be aware of mechanics, HP bars, and MP bars. A DRG does not need to be aware of MP. A tank needs to be aware of the boss's position(away from team, in a spot where DPS can hit positionals), when to provoke, when to use cooldowns, and keep aggro. A DRG doesn't need to know how to keep aggro for example. How will tanking or healing help me teach a Bard?

[PArcher]

I have not experienced your statement of "Tanks who have played healers and DPS are generally better tanks".

If you really have no idea why this is important, especially for tanks and healers, than I question how good a tank/healer you are/could be.

As an example, many, many new tanks will spin mobs and bosses, not group mobs properly, etc. They have aggro, so they're good, right? Its usually when they level a melee job that they learn that they are, in fact, not good tanks, and making their dps crazy. Tanks that level healers can see just how hard it is to heal a bad tank, and work to avoid being that.
Healers that level tanks will learn how its better to bring mobs they steal to the tank, rather than start kiting like crazy (same for ranged dps)


Overall, though, the tank/heal/dps requirement is for the role basics, and basic interactions between roles, not job basics (the thing you are so hung up over). This is for people who are new at the game, maybe getting to the early levels of their job; classes don't play all that differently than each other at low levels, so a PLD can teach a new MRD how to tank and so on. If anything, it should require a lv60 tank/heal/melee(DRG/MNK/NIN)/ranged(SMN/BLM/MCH/BRD) instead of just DPS, because melee have different issues than ranged.

[Kaiser-Ace]

TL;DR: OP is salty?

If anything, these requirements are way too easy. Over 90% of my FC is already qualified without doing anything.

Oh, and yes you need to have a Tank a Healer and a DPS if you want to teach your mentor. Why? Because trying to teach someone to DRG without having the perspective of how things play out from the other 2 ends of the job-spectrum is terrible. Tanks who have played healers and DPS are generally better tanks (Because they understand how Healer DPS and DPS positional works), etc.

All I'm missing is power leveling the last few levels into Scholar/Summoner (Which I need to do anyway) and I qualify. The pre-reques do one thing an one thing only. Keep newbies from teaching newbies. Which I think is what it was intended to do.

Skill levels are always a variable. You can have people who've played since 1.0 dropped way back when but if they "Do what they want, cause don't tell them how to play" their skill level is vastly lower than the guy 30 days into his first character who master his Main Job, picked up a few side classes, and is always giving his all in every run he does.

And the spectrum goes all over the place. I'm towards the middle. I Casually Raid. I run dungeons and some EX Primals, I've beaten coil but don't (And likely won't) run Alexander's Savage Modes, And I do my best with what I know. I still end up learning though quite frequently so I'm no master. But I try, Pay attention, and give rookies an honest chance. Something a lot of "Filthy Casuals", "Hard Cores", and "Master Elites" refuse to do.

Thus the mentor system.

[Tint]

Grinding something like Ifrit (NM) is all some can do to participate in this nice new feature. I saw a couple on this very forum hoping it will get fixed. Extremely selfish. Take out Ifrit (NM)? Take out all trials. That's not right though is it?

hey, i only said dungeons and trials you do UNSYNCED should not count :O (for the achievments and the mentor requirement)

[Toguro]

hey, i only said dungeons and trials you do UNSYNCED should not count :O (for the achievments and the mentor requirement)

That wasnt directed towards you :O. I think....

Do that and no one will do the achievements anymore. Its like coil. Make it take time? People don't do it. Thats why when they added unsynced stuff everyone jumped to get their mount

[Tint]

That wasnt directed towards you :O. I think....

Do that and no one will do the achievements anymore. Its like coil. Make it take time? People don't do it. Thats why when they added unsynced stuff everyone jumped to get their mount

i think i came up with the ifrit normal mode idea xD

and i meant this Dungeon Siege type achievements: "Complete 1000 instanced dungeon raids or trials". these achievements have the exact same requirement as the mentor system. and i don't think there is a second counter for how many dungeons and trials you have finished. and unsynced counts for this achievement >.>

[Toguro]

i think i came up with the ifrit normal mode idea xD

and i meant this Dungeon Siege type achievements: "Complete 1000 instanced dungeon raids or trials". these achievements have the exact same requirement as the mentor system. and i don't think there is a second counter for how many dungeons and trials you have finished. and unsynced counts for this achievement >.>

I think the only kinda separate achievement is the tank one. You need a Full Party. Still can be unsynced. And people went nuts when they finally added unsynced runs because they could get Kirin and Tank mounts easier.

[MeridaQ]

Yes I agree the requirements for mentors seem arbitrary, but what would be better choices? Before I continue I will say 1000 dungeons is a bit much. I understand the reasoning for adding such a requirement though, if it was easier to complete than anyone could be a mentor. Instead of people who really are passionate about teaching others, if the requirements were just have one 60 than everyone would do it for the badge, title or whatever. Also I do agree with having each class up, because after getting all classes to 50 I got a very different view on how things work. Let's see how it works out and suggest better guidelines from there.

[NovaLevossida]

Yes I agree the requirements for mentors seem arbitrary, but what would be better choices?

I think having a special Stone, Sky, Sea dummy set up that expects you to hit 90-95% of your maximum DPS on a DPS role is a better qualification for testing that you know how to play your monk or ninja or black mage than anything SE has pushed for so far. It would weed out the "ice mages" who would otherwise qualify as mentors. People should know how to play their roles by the time they have all those commendations and dungeon requirements completed, but so many of the people in this game still don't. I'd rather directly test ability than, like the relic and anima weapons, just track time played.

[Zojha]

I think having a special Stone, Sky, Sea dummy set up that expects you to hit 90-95% of your maximum DPS on a DPS role is a better qualification for testing that you know how to play your monk or ninja or black mage than anything SE has pushed for so far.

I'm sure the knowledge of how to push 90-95% of one's potential DPS in a specific class will be of immense use to a newbie who doesn't even know jobs exist *cough*