The Mentoring Requirements... *Rant Style*

[Judah_Brandt]

Finally, a distinction that separates us super-casuals from the dirty, lower class plebian casual. Can't wait to tell all the sprouts not to listen to the un-crowned yuppies wandering around trying to help them.

At this point I've stopped taking this thread seriously, I actually feel embarrassed that I even did so in the first place. You've got people who purposefully feel singled-out by a system that's supposed to be for the good of the community, somehow making it about themselves rather than the new players. Feeling jilted because of the limited metrics they had to use and what made the most sense is ridiculous. You can still help a player out regardless of whether you've got some icon next to your name or not.

Let's all just try and make the game a better place, y'all.

[BlatantPyre]

Finally, a distinction that separates us super-casuals from the dirty, lower class plebian casual. Can't wait to tell all the sprouts not to listen to the un-crowned yuppies wandering around trying to help them.

At this point I've stopped taking this thread seriously, I actually feel embarrassed that I even did so in the first place. You've got people who purposefully feel singled-out by a system that's supposed to be for the good of the community, somehow making it about themselves rather than the new players. Feeling jilted because of the limited metrics they had to use and what made the most sense is ridiculous. You can still help a player out regardless of whether you've got some icon next to your name or not.

Let's all just try and make the game a better place, y'all.

This is why this system will back-fire so quickly...

Right now, the hostile environment in this game doesn't really come into play until you reach lvl 50. With this new system, it's now shoved into the ears of all new players. Many new MMO players will be overwhelmed by the "I rule, so listen up or die, little person" mentality, and will unsub. SE will then be forced to undo the system just to keep new players.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

words.

I'm not fully convinced by this. Yes, you got your bad apples here and there, but the so called toxicity doesn't seem to kick in (for me anyway) until you start doing 24 man raids or 8 man raids; 4 player content seems to be a lot more forgiving in terms of mistakes you can make whereas content with 8 or 24 players tend to punish mistakes a lot more and it's more apparent since one or two people screwing up can cost the whole raid. Regardless, I don't buy into your doomsday scenario and it's just pure hyperbole over the "what ifs". Mentors that decide to bully new players can get reported for harassment and those are taken VERY seriously by the GMs.

If this is going to be as bad as you say, then why hasn't it happened sooner? You'd think with all this talk about elitists bullying newbies or lesser skilled players that there'd be a mass exodus and drastic drop in sub numbers already.

[BlatantPyre]

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Not doomsday. I simply meant that this system will have this problem. Also, you are talking about DF trolls. Right now, the reason that's the only place you run into them is because that's where they're playing. I run into them in all content somewhat regularly however, and have heard others say the same. It's just par for the course. Now, I don't know if there's some underlying need for trolls to harass new players; of course we haven't seen that, why would we when they have other avenues? I wasn't talking specifically about trolls, however (though I'm sure many will see this as an ample opportunity to abuse people), I was talking about elite mentality, which for the most part is something you don't see until late game right now. Sure, some would say that's just a different brand of troll, but I think "elites" don't intend to mess with people - they just think they're God's gift to man, and should be treated as such. Many of these people will have access to the mentor system, and they may see it as a soapbox...it only takes one to discourage new players.

[Judah_Brandt]

Snip.

You, ah, didn't seem to get that I was being sarcastic and making a joke did you.

[BlatantPyre]

You, ah, didn't seem to get that I was being sarcastic and making a joke did you.

Holy crap! Well, er...in that case...well, in that case you are in agreement with me, aren't you? Or I'm in agreement with you? Bah, the semantics...

Either way...whoops...and I pride myself on being fluent in sarcasm...le sigh.

[Judah_Brandt]

Holy crap! Well, er...in that case...well, in that case you are in agreement with me, aren't you? Or I'm in agreement with you? Bah, the semantics...

Either way...whoops...and I pride myself on being fluent in sarcasm...le sigh.

I knew I should've put the entire thing in italics. Lmao if someone actually called themselves a super-casual ha ha.