The Mentoring Requirements... *Rant Style*

[Judah_Brandt]

There are minimal rewards to be had for the Mentor in this situation. They explicitly stated that they didn't want to incentivize the program with titles or glamour items because then it becomes something for a completionist rather than something players who genuinely want to help use. I don't quite comprehend how you foresee it being toxic when the players who would likely not function well in the system will quite literally ignore it.

There are all ready elitists in the game. They look down on everyone who hasn't accomplished the things they have, they say stupid things like "kappa" every other sentence because they spend too much time on Twitch. They talk about how awesome they did on Seal Rock because they're constantly seeking some sort of personal gratification hoop to jump through. That sort of player doesn't want to help others get better, or offer advice. They want to be an a-hole who's better than other players. There's nothing wrong with that, really, but that sort of person isn't going to dedicate their time to helping a new player they view as something not "worth" their time.

Will there be some sort of odd elitist-casual hybrid created by a system meant to help out fresh players? I have zero idea, but I'm relatively sure they'll be filtered out quickly when there's unrest in the system. If you really believe that this is just going to breed some new level of prick, I'd say you're only partially correct. If that type of player is going into duties and vote-kicking new players due to a lack of patience, I doubt they have the patience to tolerate a system such as this.

[MeiUshu]

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Because this community is like that. It has been so with the kick option, it has been so with everything that set players new to the game in a position where they are not accepted until tehy are pro, you see it everyday with PF, and in DF is no better, where even asking in open chat a question is met with silence or *go and Google it* yeah, is a daily occurrence and you think the Mentor thing will help' ? well no it wont it will just give a further motives to all those self entitled people to demean / ignore even more other players that are not in the same cast, since now they have a cast adapted for them right ?

There are nice people outthere but they are far and few in between. My concern is maybe a bit exagerated but with my experience I am not certain the exageration is really there...Lets hope though that I am wrong, I WANT to be wrong, so far I have not been, unfortunately.

Besides, why you think they set a Mentor program? because of all that toxicity that is a daily occurrence and now that Mentor is at the door, well there is even more reasons for players to be unwelcoming towards not so Advanced in teh game players.

I could become a Mentor, just a little effort on my tank and that is, but I will never mentor ever, one becaues I dont need a title to do so, and two because if someone needs help I will help and that requires no incentives, no title and not even a thank you.

[Whiteroom]

I could become a Mentor, just a little effort on my tank and that is, but I will never mentor ever, one becaues I dont need a title to do so, and two because if someone needs help I will help and that requires no incentives, no title and not even a thank you.

Well, thats a rather self-rightous way of looking at it.

You don't seem to realize that it is just a method of connecting those looking for help with those looking to help. What you take away from it is up to you. Of course you could take the path of avoiding it so that you feel like a superior human being (while at the same time, listening to the rage of those who can't take advice.). But then you could take the path of using it and helping people who are asking for help.

[MeiUshu]

Well, thats a rather self-rightous way of looking at it.

You don't seem to realize that it is just a method of connecting those looking for help with those looking to help. What you take away from it is up to you. Of course you could take the path of avoiding it so that you feel like a superior human being (while at the same time, listening to the rage of those who can't take advice.). But then you could take the path of using it and helping people who are asking for help.

In this game EVERYTHING is set to put people in connection, do you even see something said in DF ? where peopel are connected ? how many times do you have more then a hi? tell me?

This game is supposed to be a social game do you see any of it with random people? no or rarely.

what makes you think that the Mentor system will be better?

Having a 1000 comm doesnt make you a good player and even less a good mentor, having all classes at 60 doesnt make you a perfect player either it just tells that you have been reaching that end goal is all.

My concern is with Mentors that are going to expect pupils to listen to them and do what they say without having a say, with Mentors that will call stupid players for not doing it right right away, with Mentors that dont have a clues, you can only Mentor thee that you feel at ease with, not everybody can be a Mentor or know how to do, because in the end you still deal with real people.

So many things that are in a way soo wrong that makes this system in essence good, become as I said a pandora box, but let say I am seeing bad where there is only good right

[Shyngo]

Having a 1000 comm doesnt make you a good player and even less a good mentor, having all classes at 60 doesnt make you a perfect player either it just tells that you have been reaching that end goal is all.

My concern is with Mentors that are going to expect pupils to listen to them and do what they say without having a say, with Mentors that will call stupid players for not doing it right right away, with Mentors that dont have a clues, you can only Mentor thee that you feel at ease with, not everybody can be a Mentor or know how to do, because in the end you still deal with real people.

Its a matter of communication.
While i do agree with what you said, as long as new players know that a crown next to your name means youre qualified to teach them, then they may actually listen to what you're saying.
At the same time, remember that only mentors will be able to invite mentees to the special channel, just dont invite any stupid mentees and you should be fine.

[Whiteroom]

In this game EVERYTHING is set to put people in connection, do you even see something said in DF ? where peopel are connected ? how many times do you have more then a hi? tell me?

This game is supposed to be a social game do you see any of it with random people? no or rarely.

what makes you think that the Mentor system will be better?

Having a 1000 comm doesnt make you a good player and even less a good mentor, having all classes at 60 doesnt make you a perfect player either it just tells that you have been reaching that end goal is all.

My concern is with Mentors that are going to expect pupils to listen to them and do what they say without having a say, with Mentors that will call stupid players for not doing it right right away, with Mentors that dont have a clues, you can only Mentor thee that you feel at ease with, not everybody can be a Mentor or know how to do, because in the end you still deal with real people.

So many things that are in a way soo wrong that makes this system in essence good, become as I said a pandora box, but let say I am seeing bad where there is only good right

I'm sorry, but your rant at the start there shows that you don't understand what the system is.

DF isn't there as a social event. It's purpose isn't to have a deep conversation in your runs. DF is a tool for finding others who want to run the same content as you, that is all. That you expect it to do more than that shows that you don't know the purpose of the tool.

So it's a social game, does that mean the everyone has to be social in the way you want them to be, all the time. People are people and will behave how they want.

But that rant has nothing to do with how people use or will use the mentor system. It is a tool for putting people who want to learn, in contact with people who have said they are willing to teach. That is it's purpose, that is why it is there, why on earth would you compare it to the DF? People will go to it for help of course they will say more than "hi" they are there for the help. If they just want a run, they will go to DF.

Also, what is so hard to understand that the 1000 comm and classes to 60 isn't about getting perfect or great Mentors. No it does not mean you know everything, however, you are more likely to know more, and in depth than someone who leveled only one job and has very few comms. It shows that you have been around and active, so likely know more than average.

Is it a guarantee? No, not for a second. Will people who know little make it through and teach poorly, yes. It is not a be all end all for getting a perfect mentor, but it is a filter, it won't strain out all bad players, but it will filter some out. Making the system better than just an open door one.

Also, is it a hard concept that a symbol next to your name is an identifier for people who are looking for help? Rather than just shouting randomly, they see a person with the marker and can ask for help. It's purpose is not some not to mark someone as an e-peen swinging jackhole for you to judge.

Of course people will abuse the system, you can't have a system in an online video game that is 100% free of a abuse, to think one can be is more than a little foolish.

Also, of course some mentors will expect the pupil to do exactly what they say, others won't, there is more than one way to teach, and surprisingly, more than one way to learn. Some will just want to be told exactly what to do, some will want to know why they do that, some will want far less.

The mentor system is a tool, and will be used different ways. Some good, some great, some bad. Time will tell us, but I highly doubt it will be anything as dramatic as "Pandoras Box"

You claim to be some kind of a helpful person, but how does a random player looking for help know that you are? How do you know a random player is looking for help. Most people don't want to shout it out to the world that they need help, and it would get pretty annoying to have someone spamming chat with "NEED HELP, SEND TELL, I AM HERE TO HELP ANYONE ANYTIME!" or some such.