The Mentoring Requirements... *Rant Style*

[Shyngo]

Having a4s clears as a requirement probably would limit the number of available mentors greatly, and on smaller servers that may be a problem. Especially since most new characters are created on smaller servers (since big ones tend to be locked ).

whats the point of being a mentor if youre not qualified for it? then it just falls down to what i described on the last paragraph.

[Judah_Brandt]

whats the point of being a mentor if youre not qualified for it? then it just falls down to what i described on the last paragraph.

Let's add more exclusionary and obscure requirements that only a few players meet. You also need to have two complete Anima weapons!

[Alahra]

Let's add more exclusionary and obscure requirements that only a few players meet. You also need to have two complete Anima weapons!

I'm not sure what's really "obscure" about needing to have a job of each role at level 60, to complete a certain number of instances, and to receive a certain number of commendations. It all seems pretty straightforward.

The system is exclusionary by design though. They don't want everyone mentoring, as not everyone has the sort of experience they're hoping to impart to newer players about the scope of the game. A mentor that's only really played one role is going to have a narrow view of party dynamics in most cases (not all, but SE needs to build the system for the common player). The 1000 instances/300 commendations requirements will mean that the average Mentor will also have a breadth of experience with a wide range of content, and also that they probably play regularly, which makes them more useful to newer players.

This should, in general, make the system more useful for players than the FFXI equivalent was (which had relatively lax requirements, as far as I remember—you certainly didn't need to have multiple jobs at maximum level or anything of the sort).

[Judah_Brandt]

Snip.

I was referring to the fact that he said all mentors should be required to clear A4S. I'm fine with the other qualifications. Notice my mocking tone. Check context before you go on a spiel next time. As a matter of fact I had a giant post on the fourth page detailing why I supported the requirements and the rationale behind them.

I actually do think the requirements may need to be tuned up a bit more, to be honest. I agree completely with you, Whiteroom.

[Alahra]

I was referring to the fact that he said all mentors should be required to clear A4S. I'm fine with the other qualifications. Notice my mocking tone. Check context before you go on a spiel next time.

My fault. I didn't read his post because it was horribly formatted and it hurt my eyes. If that was the part you were responding to, though, you probably should have quoted that part.

[Judah_Brandt]

My fault. I didn't read his post because it was horribly formatted and it hurt my eyes. If that was the part you were responding to, though, you probably should have quoted that part.

No harm no foul. I just dislike looking like a stooge lol. Your post was well-put, I concur with your feelings on the subject.

[Alahra]

On the subject of requiring AS4 clears to become a Mentor...that would probably end up being very problematic.

For one, it would drastically reduce the number of available mentors (far more than the supposedly stringent requirements that will be in place in 3.2). But more importantly, it would mean that the only available mentors likely catered to a very specific, progression-oriented mindset, as current Savage is far more difficult than anything the game's ever seen. Not all players like that mentality, though, and it wouldn't be very useful to most new players.

[Whiteroom]

Let's add more exclusionary and obscure requirements that only a few players meet. You also need to have two complete Anima weapons!

Tbh, I think the requirements should be higher. Look at the OP for example, he clearly doesn't understand the other roles in more than the most basic sense, he might be able to tell someone a few things, but shouldn't be "Mentoring" people. Look at the poster after, she should be looking for a mentor, not thinking she could be one.

Edit: I also think any content you are mentoring people in, you should have cleared a certain number of times. Just because you have cleared Ruda HM a bunch of times doesn't mean you should be giving someone the ins and outs of VEX which you have barely cleared once.

But there are other things I want for the system too, tools I don't think we will get. Things like:

-A side by side comparison chart, where you can ask the person to do a rotation they like, then you can show them a different one, and they can look at the difference, possibly seeing why one would be better, rather than just being told.

-The ability to see all moves used, in simple point form so you can review and go over them.

-The ability to mirror the trainees gear and stats, so you can work side by side with them, at their level.

-The ability to stop a fight so you can explain the next phase, and why you do or do not do things, or to repeat a phase.

[Shyngo]

Let's add more exclusionary and obscure requirements that only a few players meet. You also need to have two complete Anima weapons!

Or even better, lets just tell ppl that they can become university teachers if they just survive and be nice to everyone. no advance knowledge needed.

[Kaurie]

Or even better, lets just tell ppl that they can become university teachers if they just survive and be nice to everyone. no advance knowledge needed.

I'd say it's more like elementary school teachers (teaching broad basics to people brand new, not specifics to people who have previous education). Though to become an elementary school teacher, all you need to do is attend University for 8 years. There is no requirement that you learn anything, complete any homework or do any tests. Just be there for a really long time - because if you are there for a long time, then you must be qualified to teach youngsters.