The Mentoring Requirements... *Rant Style*

[Lemuria]

Oh! And I just remembered this one. This has nothing to do with me but the requirements exclude all "non-Heavenswardees" as they cannot be 60. Unless I am mistaken? Is that not an issue? Surely lv50 ARR veterans can teach newer players right? No?

In all of your posts, you seem to be ignoring the whole point of having a mentor system. It's not purely for newbies, it's for people who are still levelling. That means it goes all the way to 60 for a first-time player.

The metric changes after 50 for a lot of jobs, with Black Mages juggling their new Enochian rotation, Bards getting used to Wanderer's Minuet, and even tanks having brand new rotations to slip into their usual play. How can you advise on something you have little to no experience in? Furthermore, how can you advise on DPS if you've only ever played healers? How can you advise on tanks, if you've only ever played DPS?

Your arguments are stawman at best. The whole point of the mentoring system is to be able to advise everyone, not just be a 'dragoon' specialist.

[Toguro]

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I don't want the rewards I want the SYSTEM.

You're okay exploiting the system? I'm not. Which is why I listed it as a flaw..

[Toguro]

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I understand what you're saying but the jobs of roles play very differently from each other and someone who specializes in Scholar, leveled Warrior, and Bard, will have a hard time helping a Paladin, Monk, or White Mage right? For the first 40 hours those 6 classes are very different from each other in my opinion. Gladiators have a hard time getting AoE aggro in comparison to a Marauder. Scholar can't teach a Conjurer nothin besides up to lv15 stuff. Archer is no where near similar to Pugilist.

This is all stuff that can most likely be learned by the mentors over time, but I'm sticking to the proposed idea that one wouldn't know anything if they haven't leveled it.

[Anarnee]

Honestly I wish they would have added more/different requirements. I leveled WHM just for the mentor system~ I'm ready! XD

[Tint]

you are not supposed to teach the class. the mentor system is for the basics for people in the first 40 hours of playtime. after the first 40 hours they are not longer in the mentor-chat channel and can't get a mentor through the dungeon roulette.

as a mentor you are supposed to explain how a tank builds aggro with first his range attack, than aoe 2-3 times and start rotating aggro combo through the enemys. you have to explain that the DDs should attack the enemy first wich the tank was firt attack with his ranged attack. probably explaining basic rotations for them. explaining that healers should wait until they start healing untl the tank has build aggro on all the enemys and that they should use their dispell if necessary xD

you should know the basics of every role to explain how to play this game. if you join as a healer in mentor roulette you have to be able to explain the tank how to tank and the DDs how to DD. you don't have to be a master in your class with several savage clears and top dps to do so.

so.... after i have now explained the mentors how to mentor: i think am ready too >.>

[Lemuria]

I understand what you're saying but the jobs of roles play very differently from each other and someone who specializes in Scholar, leveled Warrior, and Bard, will have a hard time helping a Paladin, Monk, or White Mage right?

Actually if anything, this only serves to show you don't actually know what you're talking about. The roles are the same, it's how they go about that role that differs. White Mage's and Scholar's are primarily healers, that means they manage they will prioritize their healing targets, before considering DPS. They'll begin to learn which skills are the heavy hitters, so they can time their spells to heal the tank or DPS after the hit lands. Good healers can also predict status ailments and remove them so quickly that the party member is none the wiser they were ever afflicted. You don't just teach skills like these, you learn them through experience.

A player who has played DPS knows that they need specific cardinal directions to utilize certain skills or abilities to their full extent. A player who has tanked, knows the best ways to recover from aggro loss and how to maintain it.

And the big one, a player who has played DPS, Healer and Tank has not only played three jobs, but a wide range of jobs. Know why? Because a successful player has gained cross-class skills from a variety of jobs, and will understand which skills benefit most. As a result, most players who have all three at level 60 will have a fundemental understanding of the other jobs, even if they have not capped them!

[Judah_Brandt]

While the metrics used to determine the qualifications for the system seem arbitrary, I don't believe there is any honest substitution for actual experience. The people who'd "grind everything to 60" just to be part of this new system are likely going to be crap mentors. Actually I will go so far as to say like 60% of them will be crap mentors. Probably more.

The fundamental flaw here is that we, as mentors, shouldn't be teaching new players how to play the game a particular way, as in exactly like us. What we should be doing is giving them insight and rationale as to why they should do certain things or what to consider when approaching content. Having a dynamic perspective from playing multiple roles through so much content, one would hope that insight is substantial enough that we're a walking Eorzean encyclopedia of why's and why nots.

Even in this thread you've got people complaining that they shouldn't need to play a tank job to it's highest tier because you wouldn't need to know that to be a Dragoon. Well, that's a short-sighted perspective. If I can explain what considerations the Dragoon should be making on account of the tank, the possible situations they may encounter, how to manage their skills and abilities in said situations in accordance with the other roles in the party it is far more effective than saying "impulse drive until 26."

Like, as a good DPS, try to focus the target your tank is focusing since at lower levels it can be difficult to generate enmity. How do I know that? I leveled a Paladin and it sucked hard not having Shield Oath until level 40. If you're also drawing hate from another enemy the tank can't handle, the Healer's role becomes more difficult as well because they have to keep the Derpgoon who's running around being chased by wolves they aggroed alive. Understanding when to take advantage of Stoneskin in order to maximize damage output by eating an aoe is something else. How do I know what Stoneskin does? I leveled a White Mage to 60 and I know that there is clipping on Dragoon's jump frames, or that their buff falling off wastes a ton of DPS so I need to keep an eye on their health when I see them struggling with a rotation due to mechanics. How do I know the mechanics? I've run every dungeon in the game, and I've done it collectively over a thousand times allowing me to predict patterns and mitigate them. See how this all functions together?

To be a good mentor, you don't teach a player to play how you play. You teach a player how to be a good player by giving them the knowledge needed to take full advantage of their chosen job, while also providing them even more knowledge on how to be a good team mate.

[Lemuria]

While the metrics used to determine the qualifications for the system seem arbitrary, I don't believe there is any honest substitution for actual experience. The people who'd "grind everything to 60" just to be part of this new system are likely going to be crap mentors. Actually I will go so far as to say like 60% of them will be crap mentors. Probably more. The fundamental flaw here...

I think you missed the part where you need X commendations and X number of dungeon runs to become a mentor. Those who just grind to 60 without doing much else aren't going to be meeting those requirements.

[Judah_Brandt]

I think you missed the part where you need X commendations and X number of dungeon runs to become a mentor. Those who just grind to 60 without doing much else aren't going to be meeting those requirements.

I was finishing my statement. Please reassess with less sass.

[Odett]

I thought the requirements would be much stricter. You're missing the point a bit, TC, and by saying "I don't need to know how to play a tank or healer to teach someone how to be a good DRG" you're also assuming that the player you're mentoring only wants to be a DRG. Leveling the three roles to 60 makes you a more well-rounded player, and guarantees that you'll have first-hand experience with how the 3 different roles with their full toolkit work in relation to one another.

Yes, it's true that you can't give specific advice to a would-be SCH if you have only have a WHM at 60, but the core fundamentals of healing are the same across all jobs, same goes for tanking, and DPS, the difference being what skills they have in their toolkit in order to at the very least meet the minimum requirements of their roles.

It's also worth noting that a player who has leveled a tank, a healer, and a DPS to 60, has also or will level other jobs. I'm sure that people like this exist, but I've been playing since 2013 and to this day, I've yet to meet someone has JUST has one DPS, one healer, and one tank at max level at least 6 months after the current level cap; if they have one of each, they're extremely likely to have others up there as well

Yes, just leveling a job to 60 by no means guarantees that they know how to play it, but it's the basic requirement to do endgame content, so it's probably SE's minimal way of excluding players from giving advice who haven't experienced level 60 content and understand how their role works once you have your entire toolkit at your disposal; you can't give advice if you don't know what you're talking about.

TLDR; if you want to be a mentor that badly, go and meet the very lenient requirements. If it's too much work, you don't have to be a mentor. Complaining will get you nowhere.

quick edit:

I have a Lv30 Marauder. I know the "Basics" of tanking.

No, you really don't. In fact, you've barely scratched the surface.