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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyros View Post

    Need I go on?
    I have never healed and I know how to give a healer MP. I have a tank at 30 but that was within the span of 3 or 4 days when I was new to the game. I know how to give a tank TP. This is very basic stuff a player can learn without a mentor. Just read the tool tip and look at your team's status. Bards who don't sing don't need a mentor. They need to look at their tool tips.. If they need a mentor to tell them to look at a tool tip then something isn't right. If they need a mentor to tell them a White Mage uses magic then something isn't right.

    The stuff you listed doesn't require a mentor. That stuff is all about being thoughtful. Giving a healer Foe's Requiem and all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toguro View Post
    I have never healed and I know how to give a healer MP. I have a tank at 30 but that was within the span of 3 or 4 days when I was new to the game. I know how to give a tank TP. This is very basic stuff a player can learn without a mentor.
    So if you had only a Paladin, and never touched Bard, you'd be just as well informed on what a Bard should do as you are now and know what advice to dispense if he was doing it wrong?

    I mean, YOU might be perfectly knowledgeable in this regard. But think of all the people out there that have no clue what a class can do, because they've never experienced it hands on. I've had Paladins complaining that I should keep TP song up all the time when I bard, because they don't realize the skill lowers my damage. There are dps who fail to understand just how poorly certain tanks hold enmity at specific level ranges, and their lack of coordination means the tank can't keep mobs in one place. (Gotta love split dps in Sunken Temple of Qarn as a paladin... No tank stance means Final Sting for EVERYONE.)

    The only way devs can get a sense of whether a player understands the three basic roles, and has a grasp of some of the skills that each individual class possesses, is to make sure that player has leveled at least a few of them. They can't just pick your brain to see if you possess the knowledge.
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    Last edited by Gunspec; 02-14-2016 at 03:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunspec View Post
    So if you had only a Paladin, and never touched Bard, you'd be just as well informed on what a Bard should do as you are now and know what advice to dispense if he was doing it wrong?
    Yes. Before I played MCH(I had to level Archer to 26 for Hawk's Eye), I had leveled Marauder and knew what they were. But before that I played DRG and knew what they were. It can be learned by being aware. Or by someone telling you(Before mentor era).


    ADDITION: Yes but that stuff can be grasped before 60. A level 40 can teach basic tank stances, provoking etc. A lv40 Bard can teach songs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toguro View Post
    Yes. Before I played MCH(I had to level Archer to 26 for Hawk's Eye), I had leveled Marauder and knew what they were. But before that I played DRG and knew what they were. It can be learned by being aware. Or by someone telling you(Before mentor era).
    Look, Toguro, I know you just want to mentor young kids into becoming worthy opponents that you can crush.



    But if you'd been paying attention, it was the guy that leveled seven different personalities that REALLY pushed Yusuke to new limits, and that's what Square Enix is trying to enforce here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunspec View Post
    Look, Toguro, I know you just want to mentor young kids into becoming worthy opponents that you can crush.



    But if you'd been paying attention, it was the guy that leveled seven different personalities that REALLY pushed Yusuke to new limits, and that's what Square Enix is trying to enforce here.
    LOL +1

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