The Mentoring Requirements... *Rant Style*

[BlatantPyre]

You did, I just wanted you to go further into how if it was abused, the high requirements would guarantee that most of the players who earned it would know how to handle any trolling that occurred. S'all good, I think the point is backed enough so it's not "just me sayin' it"...

[Miscreant]

I'll just add my opinion here quickly, I wouldn't mind trying out mentoring except theres one problem, I don't have and will probably never have a tank to 60, they just aren't my thing.

I do have every healer to 60, a couple of DPS (melee & caster), I have also cleared every raid while it was current and some of savage coil before 3.0 (I didn't cheese it with unsynched). Also from having raided with all three types of Tanks over the last two+ years I have a pretty solid idea of how they work etc... But you know because I don't actually enjoy playing tanks I'm not qualified to mentor.

[Judah_Brandt]

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Just realized we're both on Jenova. High-five. I'm truly hoping there won't be internal witch hunting and strife in the Mentor linkshell due to a few bad players, but if it's anything like early-pulling hunts I'm sure it will be straightened out in short order by the players who don't tolerate nonsense like that.

Assumptively speaking for the community as a whole, with minimal rewards to be had for effort we as mentors will have to put in I don't see the amount of satisfaction being equitable for the volatile players. There obviously won't be any function to actively remove a Mentor's status, but one can only assume that their enjoyment of trolling new players would swiftly be met with the vocal do-gooders.

[Kyros]

I think the problem is that he doesn't understand that just because it can be done, does not mean it will be done.

Sure, you can learn ALL of the trinity's roles by level 30. Good players will typically have a good idea of what's going on before 60. But again, because it can be done, it doesn't mean it will. The large majority of the players will in fact lack this knowledge. The system needs to make sure the mentors have quality, much more than it needs to ensure quantity. Are these requirements weeding out some very good players that unfortunately do not meet the requirements? Yes. But it is also weeding a lot more players that shouldn't be mentors, and that is more important. Remember this system is to HELP the newbies, not to enable the entire player-base some rewards.

Also another thing about your tirade of level 50 vs level 60. They need to ensure jobs are at 60 because of pre-HW/ARR leveled people. I am on a legacy server and I know a LOT of people with all jobs at 50 because they leveled it in 1.0, that have not touched and know very little of the job. Typically they keep these jobs at 50 and only level what they like/want to 60. By ensuring jobs at 60 you know that they had played the job in the past 8 months enough to have it at max level. On the other hand, having the limit be 50 you open the floodgates to people that haven't touched the jobs in four years. Likewise, it lets people that stopped playing since 2.1 and likely have no clue of what the game is now to dispense advice. These are all very bad things, so restricting it to 60 over 50 is the only sensible option.

Also, you seem to have completely skipped the actual physical requirements of performing the mentor service. You seem fixated into helping DRG's as a DRG, and the current system may allow that, but what of helping a PLD as a PLD? Or a WHM as another WHM? When doing the roulette, you'll have to change to another job to help them. I am going to help Tanks personally, and this will most likely be done from my SCH or any of my other DPS's, because I can't help a WAR in dungeons as another WAR/PLD/DRK. Forcing you to have all 3 roles at 60 means you are more likely to be able to fill any role than someone that only has one job at 60.

[Solarra]

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Common sense and very refreshing, wish I could like your post more than once.

To the people who don't qualify and want to be mentors:
Add this to your goals in-game and work towards it. If you aren't prepared to do that, then ask yourself why want to do this and if you're really going to have enough patience to cope with people who learn at a slow or uneven pace, just don't seem to 'get' your explanations or regularly forget things you've already taught them.
Mentoring is tough, it's good that Square are setting the bar high.
Yes, it will exclude some people who would probably make great mentors but none of the requirements are impossible to achieve.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I'll just add my opinion here quickly, I wouldn't mind trying out mentoring except theres one problem, I don't have and will probably never have a tank to 60, they just aren't my thing.

I do have every healer to 60, a couple of DPS (melee & caster), I have also cleared every raid while it was current and some of savage coil before 3.0 (I didn't cheese it with unsynched). Also from having raided with all three types of Tanks over the last two+ years I have a pretty solid idea of how they work etc... But you know because I don't actually enjoy playing tanks I'm not qualified to mentor.

That doesn't however disqualify you from doing the job. I would encourage you to actively mentor newer players anyways if you have the heart to do it.

[l---------------l]

Whats that people who cant become mentors? You'll have to speak up! I can't hear you through the engine sound of my golden magitek.

*flies off as her best gown ever flaps in the wind*

*Comes to salute the peasants mounted in the giant fat chocobo with a crown* "Heh? 300 commends is too much? Hmm... Wait, really? You can ge that in less than a month I think?... Come on, you want to get mentors in less than a month?"

[Miscreant]

That doesn't however disqualify you from doing the job. I would encourage you to actively mentor newer players anyways if you have the heart to do it.

I used to when doing dungeons etc, but no matter how politely you try to tell people they are doing something wrong they tend to take it as an attack.

[karateorangutang]

There had to be a line in the sand somewhere, and it had to be in a way that benefits from a DF. That requires at least a basic knowledge of all roles in every level range. The only way to guarentee that is to guarentee a level range through the code. It's a simple matter of statistical advantage. Guy who leveled WHM to 60 is more likely to know more about healing then guy who has WHM at 0. It's not always true, but I would be willing to bet there's a solid trend there.

300 comms is really not that much... you can get that much just leveling the healer or tank that someone ignored to 60 and doing some trial DF's.

[Kewitt]

As a long time play. I think the requirement are fine.