The Mentoring Requirements... *Rant Style*

[DamianFatale]

The dungeon requirement is ridiculous, the lvl 60 in all category requirement is dumb, so to be honest Im betting there will be too many students vs mentors.

[Reisui]

The dungeon requirement is ridiculous, the lvl 60 in all category requirement is dumb, so to be honest Im betting there will be too many students vs mentors.

Why is it dumb, give a good reason instead of just saying it is dumb.

I think it's only logical, like some people already mentioned, this way you have a global view of all three roles.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Even the most casual (but everyday) player would likely have more than one job at 60 by now; if not for versatility, then perhaps out of boredom. For anyone who only has one job leveled on purpose, you've only got yourself to blame.

The requirements are reasonable enough that many players would already meet them, and if they don't, they're still quite easily attainable.

As for the mentor-student ratio, yes there will be fewer mentors, but keep in mind these are players willing to take time to help guide and teach new players, and for little reward. Many already do this, and they are still yet far and few. Mentoring is not for everyone and doesn't have to be. But the dedicated few will continue doing it, officially or not.

[Cadbury]

Hmm. Reading over the topic and the responses, I find myself reminded of the old adage: Those who can, do; those who can't, teach.

That being said, I feel that the requirements set forth are as fair as they could possibly be. My only gripe is that anyone willing to do so could spam unsync solo runs to inflate their dungeon completion count.

[MeiUshu]

again Rei, you see it that way I dont, how hard is it to understand that I dont agree with your vision of this same as you dont agree with mine

I dont believe most will not use it for the title, I believe is THE CONTRARY, most will use it for the shiney title rather then for the best of the community, read MOST (not all in case is not clear enough). That is why you and me differ and where you see all nice and shiney, I see problems not to mention those that find it coold and inflates their ego, but in the end those that will be at the receiving end will be unaware of most of this and be taught showned maybe the wrong things, because the Mentor title gives to the Mentors the *power* to impose sort of the fact that THEY know better and therefore the rest MUST listen to it and by that it escalâtes. I cant see anything good in this system..I just cant, sorry

So yeah we agree to disagree as for now neither you or me can say with absolute certainty what the outcome will be, in time only we will know for now we only can speculate on how good or bad this will be. I stand behind my opinion until proven the contrary and so far nothing said in here disgress me from what I believe, can change I hope I wrong, I WANT to be wrong, yep I so WANT to be wrong.

[Reisui]

again Rei, you see it that way I dont, how hard is it to understand that I dont agree with your vision of this same as you dont agree with mine
I dont believe most will not use it for the title, I believe is THE CONTRARY, most will use it for the shiney title rather then for the best of the community, read MOST (not all in case is not clear enough). That is why you and me differ and where you see all nice and shiney, I see problems not to mention those that find it coold and inflates their ego, but in the end those that will be at the receiving end will be unaware of most of this and be taught showned maybe the wrong things, because the Mentor title gives to the Mentors the *power* to impose sort of the fact that THEY know better and therefore the rest MUST listen to it and by that it escalâtes. I cant see anything good in this system..I just cant, sorry

So yeah we agree to disagree as for now neither you or me can say with absolute certainty what the outcome will be, in time only we will know for now we only can speculate on how good or bad this will be. I stand behind my opinion until proven the contrary and so far nothing said in here disgress me from what I believe, can change I hope I wrong, I WANT to be wrong, yep I so WANT to be wrong.

Honestly, I know there will be abuse, I don't see it all shiny. But if people like you, me and others here use it, instead of fear it because it can be abused, we're doing the right thing. I've seen your posts throughout the forum, and I noticed you lost faith in the comunity, which I can understand, but by no reason does it mean you cannot do good anymore.

When I saw that we could become an 'official' mentor I was excited, because it means I can actively help newbies (that want to be helped). I can pass them my knowledge and help them on there first steps. Do I fear not everyone will use it correctly, Yes, but at-least I know, that the persons I helped will be helped than to be completely alone.

But yeah, we both want to do good, the exception is, you see more negativity. This is a personal fear you need to get over with, because of that fear, you may miss occasions to help others.

[Whiteroom]

well if you prefer to see it as al shiney and stuff by all means be my guest. But dont come here and tell me that mentor is only meant the way YOU see it (or understand it), is not the case, when you mentor, is not only telling where to find a gear or stuff like that, is far more then that. This mentorship in essence good, is not all shiney as YOU want to make it. There is far more involved into then *just* this or that.

As for my example, it was only there to show that if someone lvl 60 with all the requirements needed to teach according to what was set forth is not understanding what he is supposed to do as basic , and that person could teach another as per requirements, you do realize right the problem? or you dont ? and dont tell me is not the case and etct..because as you see it exists and nothing prevents them to teach with the new system and so make of a newby as in new an incompetent in turn, ebcasue that one happened to have trusted that SMN that had that title above his head.

So please refrain from telling someone NOT of your vision that he doesnt understand I do, I just dont believe is the solution to all problems, quite the contrary. Besides why do we have a Mentor roulette ? you mean to say is the incentive? I hope not technically is meant to help newb in a real setting by giving advice and teach them IN the dungeon, right? otherwise what is the point of having a Mentor roulette yes? well I sure hope it wont be the SMN I met taht is the mentor in such a dungeon, dont you agree ?

Anyway, we will just agree to disagree...as you and me arent in the same page about this. For me it is flawed not in the intend but because of the community as a whole. There are exceptions, but they are rare and those are not on public place they dont need a stage (understand title). they proceed to do and contribute to the overall betterment, when you need atitle to do something for the community or the good of the community, and before that you never bothered, tehre is somethign wrong isnt there ?.

again Rei, you see it that way I dont, how hard is it to understand that I dont agree with your vision of this same as you dont agree with mine

I dont believe most will not use it for the title, I believe is THE CONTRARY, most will use it for the shiney title rather then for the best of the community, read MOST (not all in case is not clear enough). That is why you and me differ and where you see all nice and shiney, I see problems not to mention those that find it coold and inflates their ego, but in the end those that will be at the receiving end will be unaware of most of this and be taught showned maybe the wrong things, because the Mentor title gives to the Mentors the *power* to impose sort of the fact that THEY know better and therefore the rest MUST listen to it and by that it escalâtes. I cant see anything good in this system..I just cant, sorry

So yeah we agree to disagree as for now neither you or me can say with absolute certainty what the outcome will be, in time only we will know for now we only can speculate on how good or bad this will be. I stand behind my opinion until proven the contrary and so far nothing said in here disgress me from what I believe, can change I hope I wrong, I WANT to be wrong, yep I so WANT to be wrong.

Your post shows you have clearly misunderstood almost every thing I have said. And whats with all the "shiny"? Do you honestly care that much about titles, that you think people will really want this one?

At this point I want to chalk up your misunderstanding to a language barrier, but I really get the feeling you think you are the only one capable of seeing flaws in a system, and that we are too stupid for that. (Despite the fact that numerous flaws have been pointed out)

What you really can't seem to grasp is that a system cant be perfect in a game of this size, nor does it need to be to have a positive effect. Tell me something, where do new players get help from now? Are you the only one out there helping? Or do they get their info from all the same sources as the mentor system, but without the filters in place to make it a little better? Or worse yet, they don't get it at all.

Why do you think there are so many of these people you are afraid of teaching, past the level 50 point anyway? They got their info from the same method you seem to be championing (meaning no system), so it's working right?

But I understand that the concept of giving people a method of finding help is terrible to the core right? Enough to be referred to as "pandoras box"...

Also, what makes you think SMN you dislike is not out there "helping" people right now.

[Legion88]

The only good thing from a title is, people who want help now know which person is willing to help them, perhaps, and they don't stand alone and forgotten in one of the city states and don't know what to do or who he/she should ask.
People who don't want to mentor will pass this fast if it is anoying for them.

[Jetstream_Fox]

I think this system will crash and burn very fast and in a very unapologetical way. As it has been stated under no circumstances does someone who wants to play as a career BLM need to know about the tanking process or a tank needing to know how to play as a SMN. The restriction on needing all 3 areas of war at 60 has to be the biggest joke I've heard, not only does it blatantly tell people they're not good enough it's playing off a false sense of experience being level 60. But sadly, there are people on this website that defend this idea, these same people who are oblivious to the fact this website has a massive thread about the horrible player interactions they've experienced in the game at all levels possible in the duty finder. I seriously don't think I'll ever understand this community.

Instead of making this horrible idea horrible they could have done it so much better by paring players who pick the starter class for each job and pair them with it's respective job. So if you wanted to MNK you pick PUG you'd only be mentored by a MNK. Given you only have 40 hours to mentor this player they're not going to even fully grasp ALL 3 areas of war in this game by the time they get their 30 job. At that point the player being mentored should have been through enough dungeons and fates plus played the cross class requirement for the job to have a understanding on how the game is played at that particular time.

[Reisui]

I think this system will crash and burn very fast and in a very unapologetical way. As it has been stated under no circumstances does someone who wants to play as a career BLM need to know about the tanking process or a tank needing to know how to play as a SMN. The restriction on needing all 3 areas of war at 60 has to be the biggest joke I've heard, not only does it blatantly tell people they're not good enough it's playing off a false sense of experience being level 60. But sadly, there are people on this website that defend this idea, these same people who are oblivious to the fact this website has a massive thread about the horrible player interactions they've experienced in the game at all levels possible in the duty finder. I seriously don't think I'll ever understand this community.

Instead of making this horrible idea horrible they could have done it so much better by paring players who pick the starter class for each job and pair them with it's respective job. So if you wanted to MNK you pick PUG you'd only be mentored by a MNK. Given you only have 40 hours to mentor this player they're not going to even fully grasp ALL 3 areas of war in this game by the time they get their 30 job. At that point the player being mentored should have been through enough dungeons and fates plus played the cross class requirement for the job to have a understanding on how the game is played at that particular time.

You see this system wrongly, it's not about learning everything of the class/job they took, but a general aspect of the game. Also, if we go by your rule, how will healers and tanks help new healers and tanks in dungeons? If you go in a dungeon as a heal, you cannot mentor another healer, since he's not there.

And I think that you need to know at-least the basics of every role, how could you function well in a group. A MNK having a tank that always moves must be so hateful right? But if that tank never played a DPS role, he cannot really know there are positionals, he doesn't know what pain it is if the tank always move.