The Mentoring Requirements... *Rant Style*

[MilesSaintboroguh]

words.

I'm not fully convinced by this. Yes, you got your bad apples here and there, but the so called toxicity doesn't seem to kick in (for me anyway) until you start doing 24 man raids or 8 man raids; 4 player content seems to be a lot more forgiving in terms of mistakes you can make whereas content with 8 or 24 players tend to punish mistakes a lot more and it's more apparent since one or two people screwing up can cost the whole raid. Regardless, I don't buy into your doomsday scenario and it's just pure hyperbole over the "what ifs". Mentors that decide to bully new players can get reported for harassment and those are taken VERY seriously by the GMs.

If this is going to be as bad as you say, then why hasn't it happened sooner? You'd think with all this talk about elitists bullying newbies or lesser skilled players that there'd be a mass exodus and drastic drop in sub numbers already.

[BlatantPyre]

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Not doomsday. I simply meant that this system will have this problem. Also, you are talking about DF trolls. Right now, the reason that's the only place you run into them is because that's where they're playing. I run into them in all content somewhat regularly however, and have heard others say the same. It's just par for the course. Now, I don't know if there's some underlying need for trolls to harass new players; of course we haven't seen that, why would we when they have other avenues? I wasn't talking specifically about trolls, however (though I'm sure many will see this as an ample opportunity to abuse people), I was talking about elite mentality, which for the most part is something you don't see until late game right now. Sure, some would say that's just a different brand of troll, but I think "elites" don't intend to mess with people - they just think they're God's gift to man, and should be treated as such. Many of these people will have access to the mentor system, and they may see it as a soapbox...it only takes one to discourage new players.

[Judah_Brandt]

Snip.

You, ah, didn't seem to get that I was being sarcastic and making a joke did you.

[ruskie]

*yawn* one thing people seem to think is that a mentor system should be everything from how to tie my shoelaces to teach me how to be the ultimate DPS PLD that noone else can beat in DPS!

As some people have put it, it is meant for the new to the game players, the ones that might even be new to MMOs. To explain things about the game(though that is getting a bit of a brush up as well(I had no clue what a tank was when I started back in the beta days)). Tell them about some quests they might want to pickup no matter what, how they can level, point them in the right direction if they're lost. Basics - stuff that a FC generally would provide but sadly a lot of blind invite FCs don't

For those that want to improve in their own jobs - you do this thing called... what was it... research yeah... that's it... research rotations, research your skills(you can do this while playing - read the tooltips(also those on your buff bars and such) and once you think you have a solid understanding maybe seek out some of the best players for your job on your server or just even your FC to talk about getting even better.

The worst they can do is say no I won't help you. But you would be surprised how helpful some can be.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Again, this matter is really being blown out of proportion.

No, you don't need the title of mentor to help new players. But think of it like this: would you be more willing to take medical advice from any random person, or someone you can clearly identify as a doctor?

It's not about rotations at 50 vs 60, or how to be really awesome at one particular job. You're a guide. You're there to answer questions and assist where needed. Every new player isn't incompetent and needs their hand held. But some may miss a few things, or get lost, or need that extra bit of advice/clarification on something. THAT is what you're there for as a mentor. They can (and have to) learn the rest themselves.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

It needs to be said: if you don't meet the requirements, that's entirely on you. The game's been around long enough that there's little reason or excuse outside of personal ones to not have multiple jobs leveled and the requirements met (if you've been playing the entire time).

If you still have the will to help, do it! Push yourself to learn along with the newer person, and you'll be surprised how fast the requirements are met. I'm finally leveling WAR to help a friend who wanted to learn WHM. And I realized I enjoy the job. They realized healing isn't so scary. We share what we know of the jobs we're leveling with each other, and we're both better for it. This is happening NOW, without fancy titles or statuses.

[Warlyx]

u guys are forgetting something U DONT NEED A MENTOR SYSTEM to gasp mentor now ...go to starter zones and start helping sprouts. Some of u already are , i have seen it , the other day in Aleport a newbie asking how to change class , a group started talking , and then more ppl started asking questions , how to go to Uldah, how to get a chocobo ect.

I got a flashback from FFXI where i started playing (and had 0 clue what i was doing) and ppl were really helpfull with sprouts in FFXI explaining where to buy scrolls, how to buy/sell from AH, how the job system works , reputation with cities , Missions , and what not.

[MeiUshu]

u guys are forgetting something U DONT NEED A MENTOR SYSTEM to gasp mentor now ...go to starter zones and start helping sprouts. Some of u already are , i have seen it , the other day in Aleport a newbie asking how to change class , a group started talking , and then more ppl started asking questions , how to go to Uldah, how to get a chocobo ect.

I got a flashback from FFXI where i started playing (and had 0 clue what i was doing) and ppl were really helpfull with sprouts in FFXI explaining where to buy scrolls, how to buy/sell from AH, how the job system works , reputation with cities , Missions , and what not.

so much this..so much this.

when you need a title to do something the whole system is already wrong from the start.

[Reisui]

so much this..so much this.

when you need a title to do something the whole system is already wrong from the start.

I'm already helping whenever I can, and I will do the new Mentoring, but not for the title, because it's a path to bring newbies and veterans together. I even think that most Mentors are not even doing it for the title. Have a bit of faith in the community, (I know it's hard) there are still good people out there

[Leigaon]

..looking for things to complain about

You are really trying your best to find the flaws. Without any real helpful ways to improve the system that isn't even out yet.

The flaws you put in are valid, do not get me wrong. I will say that the negative things you've mentioned will happen. But to what %? We can't say. Look at it a bit further down the road..not just a month, but by next patch.

By 300 commendations you've probably know your job, or you're at least showing you are kind enough to others for some reason. It doesn't matter if you did nothing, but a lot of those people who do commendations look for more than just handing one out. People get commendations not just for doing nothing all the time. You get them also by doing your job, not saying nothing and showing that you are capable, because last run someone may had a person in that job that performed horribly.

Or someone who has the patience for someone who is new, explains the issues or lets them learn.

I can go on, but I agree with the reasons. I just don't think it will be as high of a % as things go on. Eventually also, things will filter out the people who are bad and things we will mostly see those who are good. But I am optimistic. It will be okay baby, just sit back..relax and enjoy the game.

u guys are forgetting something U DONT NEED A MENTOR SYSTEM to gasp mentor now ...go to starter zones and start helping sprouts.

There we go! Exactly. There are people out there already helping. This just gives them an achievement and acknowledgement for helping people.