The Mentoring Requirements... *Rant Style*

[Whiteroom]

In this game EVERYTHING is set to put people in connection, do you even see something said in DF ? where peopel are connected ? how many times do you have more then a hi? tell me?

This game is supposed to be a social game do you see any of it with random people? no or rarely.

what makes you think that the Mentor system will be better?

Having a 1000 comm doesnt make you a good player and even less a good mentor, having all classes at 60 doesnt make you a perfect player either it just tells that you have been reaching that end goal is all.

My concern is with Mentors that are going to expect pupils to listen to them and do what they say without having a say, with Mentors that will call stupid players for not doing it right right away, with Mentors that dont have a clues, you can only Mentor thee that you feel at ease with, not everybody can be a Mentor or know how to do, because in the end you still deal with real people.

So many things that are in a way soo wrong that makes this system in essence good, become as I said a pandora box, but let say I am seeing bad where there is only good right

I'm sorry, but your rant at the start there shows that you don't understand what the system is.

DF isn't there as a social event. It's purpose isn't to have a deep conversation in your runs. DF is a tool for finding others who want to run the same content as you, that is all. That you expect it to do more than that shows that you don't know the purpose of the tool.

So it's a social game, does that mean the everyone has to be social in the way you want them to be, all the time. People are people and will behave how they want.

But that rant has nothing to do with how people use or will use the mentor system. It is a tool for putting people who want to learn, in contact with people who have said they are willing to teach. That is it's purpose, that is why it is there, why on earth would you compare it to the DF? People will go to it for help of course they will say more than "hi" they are there for the help. If they just want a run, they will go to DF.

Also, what is so hard to understand that the 1000 comm and classes to 60 isn't about getting perfect or great Mentors. No it does not mean you know everything, however, you are more likely to know more, and in depth than someone who leveled only one job and has very few comms. It shows that you have been around and active, so likely know more than average.

Is it a guarantee? No, not for a second. Will people who know little make it through and teach poorly, yes. It is not a be all end all for getting a perfect mentor, but it is a filter, it won't strain out all bad players, but it will filter some out. Making the system better than just an open door one.

Also, is it a hard concept that a symbol next to your name is an identifier for people who are looking for help? Rather than just shouting randomly, they see a person with the marker and can ask for help. It's purpose is not some not to mark someone as an e-peen swinging jackhole for you to judge.

Of course people will abuse the system, you can't have a system in an online video game that is 100% free of a abuse, to think one can be is more than a little foolish.

Also, of course some mentors will expect the pupil to do exactly what they say, others won't, there is more than one way to teach, and surprisingly, more than one way to learn. Some will just want to be told exactly what to do, some will want to know why they do that, some will want far less.

The mentor system is a tool, and will be used different ways. Some good, some great, some bad. Time will tell us, but I highly doubt it will be anything as dramatic as "Pandoras Box"

You claim to be some kind of a helpful person, but how does a random player looking for help know that you are? How do you know a random player is looking for help. Most people don't want to shout it out to the world that they need help, and it would get pretty annoying to have someone spamming chat with "NEED HELP, SEND TELL, I AM HERE TO HELP ANYONE ANYTIME!" or some such.

[Kaiser-Ace]

Sorry, on phone, can't edit, so please excuse my grammatical errors. Also, as a small continuation to my last post, not everyone needs to be able to become a ment

I found the solution to this issue.

There is an options menu in all phone browsers in the same section as "New Tab" that will specifically say "Request Desktop Website". when you check that box (And I recommend you be on a wifi connection since the data strain will go up) the full PC webpage will load. In this website's case it'll take you back a few menus but you can then re access the forum and the Edit and Advance Post buttons will be available.

Then by simply toggling the check mark back off it'll refresh as the Mobile Version like it was before. Annoying yes, but currently the only way to edit a post with out an actual Computer.

[gamersince1976]

I believe a witty English author once said it best,

Originally Posted by Douglas Adams
It is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made a mentor in a silly online game should on no account be allowed to do the job.

I might be paraphrasing a bit though.

This requires more upboats than I can give. Thank you.

And I ALWAYS keep my towel handy.

[Toguro]

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The Progression Lv50 mentoring would be for progressing through Lv50-59. A level 50 rotation shouldn't be instilled unless the mentee asks for something that deep. Otherwise, they can progress through 2.x story and Heavensward. They do not need long mentor sessions for 50 progression. They can just ask for tips within the mentoring linkshell that would hopefully be there. Lv60 Mentoring would be for instilling final rotations. 40 hours is barely enough for leveling up as is. To be honest I think it should either be increased greatly or not go away at all. 40 hours is simply not enough time. I think there should absolutely be more than one mentoring because in 40hrs you can learn some things, but you won't be scratching the surface on what the game has to offer. "Mentoring: Progression Lv50" would handle everything Lv50 and after 50 excluding 60.

There's a Leveling world, a Level 50-59 world, and a Level 60 world. Each of those are completely different from each other and it's a lot to learn at once. Players need more than one teacher that's how teaching works. I can't count how many times I was told to stop using an old math method for a new one by a teacher of a "higher level" for example. Like, using the Lattice Method in elementary school then go to middle school and teachers say don't do that. Mentees need multiple views from multiple teachers but sure, they can make a longtime friendship with a teacher.

As for needing lv60? The entire game.. all of the mechanics that you need to know and experience are all packed into one thing, Lv50. Because remember, HW doesn't offer many new ones. Lv50 has it all. There is MUCH more to learn at 50 than lv1-49 regarding the game. This current mentoring won't help with that at all. Because if you reach 50 within 40hrs as a newbie you definitely don't need mentoring. Heck, I'd want you as my mentor.



Requirements? I don't even qualify for the requirements of my own requirements. Because of jobs leveled.

[MeiUshu]

@whiteroom we see things differently. You dont have to agree, until proven wrong my opinion and vision is as valid as yours.Time will tell how could this system is, right. The use of DF by low levels that are still under mentoring limits will me met with less patieence than is today. Level 60 df party this day SMN never used aby dots didnt see the need to. Used titan because is cool. I checked loadestone he is well within requirements for mentorship and probably will ve one.. tell me doesnt it wordy you? It does me and this is not an isolated case

[Legion88]

Does someone know how the mentor system works?

It seems to me it's just a new world chat channel with all mentors and "sprouts" inside and a new roulette for the mentors, where they get duties with chars who didn't clear that content before.

Is it like i understood it or may i be wrong?

[BlatantPyre]

Legion...that's pretty much what I got from what they've released so far, so I believe you're right. Anywho...

I've read a lot on this thread from both sides of the argument, and it's made me come to one conclusion - I don't need this "mentor system" to be a mentor.

When I first read there was going to be a mentor system, I was hardcore excited. I thoroughly enjoy helping new players, and do so on a regular basis. Having an in-game system to help advocate that sounded awesome.

When I read the requirements, I was disheartened. I play this game very differently from most people, and because of my playstyle I will never have access to this system, at least not the battlecraft side of it (I have multiple characters and all jobs spread out amongst them. I won't be changing that.). It's not that I think the entirety of what's called for is ridiculous, in fact much of it makes sense (i.e., the requirement to have knowledge of all three roles). It's that it's now causing people who want to be a mentor to play in a specific way, so to that extent, I agree with OP.

But much of the opposing side has brought up many legitimate arguments as to why these requirements make a lot of sense, or at least why they're going to be implemented, even though it means someone like me who loves to mentor can't be a mentor. I won't go into all that's been said, but they got me thinking...do I really need this system to help people? Is SE maybe implementing this to encourage people who have the skill, but not the want, to become helpful? Is this system really for helpful people, or people who can help but typically don't?

I realized that, despite my original excitement, in the end I won't be missing out on anything, I can still help players without being a "mentor". Besides, from my experience, having skill does not make one a good teacher, so the whole thing might become moot anyway. Either way, I guess I'm saying I don't think this is as big of a deal as we would be made to believe. If I'm wrong, then problems are going to ensue, no matter which side of this debate you're on, and then we'll have to wait for things to get fixed. I believe we're all used to that by now...

[MeiUshu]

@Blatant

I agree so much with you in this. Exactly my feelings expressed in a diplomatic way.

[l---------------l]

Erhm...I have the requirement in two characters.... They are not that hard?...

There's a reason for everything, I think your OP message is too salty.

As an all-arounder and one all-60 (Who didn't norther thanalan, and who can use all jobs with a really good degree of proficiency) I tell you, having all 60, GIVES YOU more than the basics and knowledge..... You can say you are an awesome DRG just by having your DRG leveled, but, you are UNABLE to understand the other roles, you didn't have to be in their place. You don't understand your tank or your healer or your caster, and because you don't understand them, you are less companion, you understand less some of the reasonings under the mechanics....

You understand way more about everything when you have been playing with all the roles, especially in the serious-raid ambient. I still thinking, yeah, maybe if you use all jobs, good, you become just a jack of all trades, maybe, but, I still think that it's not possible to become the best in your job if you didn't taste other roles.

And, perhaps, SE wants mentor people that can show the basics of everything to someone, not a DRG specialist that can be only mentor of DRG. Would you be a decent mentor if a new player asks you "So, sensei, how's healing here? Is too hard? Is it funny? And tanking?" What would you reply to that, what experience did you got to avail you?.


(Also, for comms... I got 2600+ in one char, 300+ in another... And I'm super quiet. Sometimes, what gives you the comm is not to spam a "Hello everyone *insert moogle picture here* :3 !" macro at the beginning and a "Thanks for the lovely party! ♥ " macro at the end, no, sometimes what gives you the commend is to fight with competence and serious skill. Or at least, don't be doing auto-attacks and a few random GCD like 50% of DF does... I always go and do my stuff 100% of my capacity in battle, and, even if I'm quiet, some people can see that, that I'm putting effort to make this a speedrun. )

[ChocoFeru]

The mentoring requirements.. sigh*

I'll give you my opinion!

300 Commendations
Commendations can be farmed and random, but it's just a filter to make sure you queued with other players, rather than queuing with premades. Why would you want to be a mentor of random people if you didn't even play with random people?
Also 300 commends is a very very low number!

Lv60 Healer, DPS, and Tank
You need to know ALL perspectives of this game. You may be a good DRG, but you've gotta know when you're wasting the healer's MP or you're disturbing the tank. So you've gota experience all the sides, because when you're a mentor you have to give tips to everyone, not just the DRG (if there is any).

1,000 Instanced Dungeons or Trials
With 1000 dungeons you should be aware about how this game works, with all many different mechanics. 1000 is a good number.



Being a mentor is not "just a feature". You need the experience and the ability to answer any questions about any mechanic, any job, anything. You might feel good enough, but no, you need the experience. You can always get ready before patch 3.2 if you really would like to be a mentor.