The Mentoring Requirements... *Rant Style*

[Odett]

Your made-up requirements just sound like you want to be a mentor and you do not meet the current ones.

As for your 3 different mentor model, it's counterintuitive for the following reasons. Your rotation, especially as DPS, is very different from your lv 52-60 skills, and with cases like BLM, completely redefined. it's completely unnecessary to have a mentor instill a level 50 rotation into their pupil, having the pupil think that that is how their job will behave in the future, and when they "graduate" (for lack of a better word) and get a new mentor, they'll be told "hey, remember what that guy taught you? Yeah ok, throw that out." The second reason ties in with the first one: why be bouncing around multiple mentor branches when you can have one that fits the entire bill? It sounds like a lot of unnecessary work for SE instead of implementing one "end-all-be-all" mentor category, just because you don't meet the current requirements and insist that you should still be a mentor.

[Toguro]

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The Progression Lv50 mentoring would be for progressing through Lv50-59. A level 50 rotation shouldn't be instilled unless the mentee asks for something that deep. Otherwise, they can progress through 2.x story and Heavensward. They do not need long mentor sessions for 50 progression. They can just ask for tips within the mentoring linkshell that would hopefully be there. Lv60 Mentoring would be for instilling final rotations. 40 hours is barely enough for leveling up as is. To be honest I think it should either be increased greatly or not go away at all. 40 hours is simply not enough time. I think there should absolutely be more than one mentoring because in 40hrs you can learn some things, but you won't be scratching the surface on what the game has to offer. "Mentoring: Progression Lv50" would handle everything Lv50 and after 50 excluding 60.

There's a Leveling world, a Level 50-59 world, and a Level 60 world. Each of those are completely different from each other and it's a lot to learn at once. Players need more than one teacher that's how teaching works. I can't count how many times I was told to stop using an old math method for a new one by a teacher of a "higher level" for example. Like, using the Lattice Method in elementary school then go to middle school and teachers say don't do that. Mentees need multiple views from multiple teachers but sure, they can make a longtime friendship with a teacher.

As for needing lv60? The entire game.. all of the mechanics that you need to know and experience are all packed into one thing, Lv50. Because remember, HW doesn't offer many new ones. Lv50 has it all. There is MUCH more to learn at 50 than lv1-49 regarding the game. This current mentoring won't help with that at all. Because if you reach 50 within 40hrs as a newbie you definitely don't need mentoring. Heck, I'd want you as my mentor.



Requirements? I don't even qualify for the requirements of my own requirements. Because of jobs leveled.

[Odett]

Sorry, on phone, can't edit, so please excuse my grammatical errors. Also, as a small continuation to my last post, not everyone needs to be able to become a ment

[Kaiser-Ace]

Sorry, on phone, can't edit, so please excuse my grammatical errors. Also, as a small continuation to my last post, not everyone needs to be able to become a ment

I found the solution to this issue.

There is an options menu in all phone browsers in the same section as "New Tab" that will specifically say "Request Desktop Website". when you check that box (And I recommend you be on a wifi connection since the data strain will go up) the full PC webpage will load. In this website's case it'll take you back a few menus but you can then re access the forum and the Edit and Advance Post buttons will be available.

Then by simply toggling the check mark back off it'll refresh as the Mobile Version like it was before. Annoying yes, but currently the only way to edit a post with out an actual Computer.

[MeiUshu]

@whiteroom we see things differently. You dont have to agree, until proven wrong my opinion and vision is as valid as yours.Time will tell how could this system is, right. The use of DF by low levels that are still under mentoring limits will me met with less patieence than is today. Level 60 df party this day SMN never used aby dots didnt see the need to. Used titan because is cool. I checked loadestone he is well within requirements for mentorship and probably will ve one.. tell me doesnt it wordy you? It does me and this is not an isolated case

[Whiteroom]

@whiteroom we see things differently. You dont have to agree, until proven wrong my opinion and vision is as valid as yours.Time will tell how could this system is, right. The use of DF by low levels that are still under mentoring limits will me met with less patieence than is today. Level 60 df party this day SMN never used aby dots didnt see the need to. Used titan because is cool. I checked loadestone he is well within requirements for mentorship and probably will ve one.. tell me doesnt it wordy you? It does me and this is not an isolated case

How are you not getting that it is a system that allows those who are looking for help to identify and easily find those who are willing to help, and vice versa? You can go and randomly help people who may or may not need or want your help, or you can connect with people who want help easily. Or you can say "I mentoerd before it was cool, I don't need that system."


Your comment about the SMN shows you didn't even read, or if you did read, did not understand my post, and that you continue to not understand the purpose of the requirements for mentor.


Also your coment later about needing a title to teach shows that you can either not grasp the simple concept of what the system does in the most basic sense, that you are willfully ignoring it, or a third option.

It's not a matter of opinion, it's a tool, the success of the job depends on the user.

Does it worry me bad players will be able to mentor, no. To me your inability to grasp what the system is is just as telling as that SNM not using dots, and I'm not saying that to insult, it's just the way I see it. Bad players can and do mentor people now, if you care to understand better, read my previos post, the one you @whiteroom responded to.

[MeiUshu]

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well if you prefer to see it as al shiney and stuff by all means be my guest. But dont come here and tell me that mentor is only meant the way YOU see it (or understand it), is not the case, when you mentor, is not only telling where to find a gear or stuff like that, is far more then that. This mentorship in essence good, is not all shiney as YOU want to make it. There is far more involved into then *just* this or that.

As for my example, it was only there to show that if someone lvl 60 with all the requirements needed to teach according to what was set forth is not understanding what he is supposed to do as basic , and that person could teach another as per requirements, you do realize right the problem? or you dont ? and dont tell me is not the case and etct..because as you see it exists and nothing prevents them to teach with the new system and so make of a newby as in new an incompetent in turn, ebcasue that one happened to have trusted that SMN that had that title above his head.

So please refrain from telling someone NOT of your vision that he doesnt understand I do, I just dont believe is the solution to all problems, quite the contrary. Besides why do we have a Mentor roulette ? you mean to say is the incentive? I hope not technically is meant to help newb in a real setting by giving advice and teach them IN the dungeon, right? otherwise what is the point of having a Mentor roulette yes? well I sure hope it wont be the SMN I met taht is the mentor in such a dungeon, dont you agree ?

Anyway, we will just agree to disagree...as you and me arent in the same page about this. For me it is flawed not in the intend but because of the community as a whole. There are exceptions, but they are rare and those are not on public place they dont need a stage (understand title). they proceed to do and contribute to the overall betterment, when you need atitle to do something for the community or the good of the community, and before that you never bothered, tehre is somethign wrong isnt there ?.

[Reisui]

Anyway, we will just agree to disagree...as you and me arent in the same page about this. For me it is flawed not in the intend but because of the community as a whole. There are exceptions, but they are rare and those are not on public place they dont need a stage (understand title). they proceed to do and contribute to the overall betterment, when you need atitle to do something for the community or the good of the community, and before that you never bothered, tehre is somethign wrong isnt there ?.

Read my previous posts, most of the Mentors will not use this for the title, but as a way to reach out to the people that want help. Not everyone want's help, how many times, when you see someone struggle in a dungeon, you give them advice and you get the answer 'Shut up, I pay a sub, I play how I want!'. So with this, at-least you know the person wants help.

And you have fear the community will abuse it, well tbh, this can and will happen with everything. If you live in fear, then you just stop doing anything in you life, since everything is abuse-able. If we need to take into account that people might abuse it, then SE should just give us the best gear from day 1, make the fights so easy that you just need to auto attack so everyone can clear everything, which would be stupid right?

[Legion88]

Does someone know how the mentor system works?

It seems to me it's just a new world chat channel with all mentors and "sprouts" inside and a new roulette for the mentors, where they get duties with chars who didn't clear that content before.

Is it like i understood it or may i be wrong?

[BlatantPyre]

Legion...that's pretty much what I got from what they've released so far, so I believe you're right. Anywho...

I've read a lot on this thread from both sides of the argument, and it's made me come to one conclusion - I don't need this "mentor system" to be a mentor.

When I first read there was going to be a mentor system, I was hardcore excited. I thoroughly enjoy helping new players, and do so on a regular basis. Having an in-game system to help advocate that sounded awesome.

When I read the requirements, I was disheartened. I play this game very differently from most people, and because of my playstyle I will never have access to this system, at least not the battlecraft side of it (I have multiple characters and all jobs spread out amongst them. I won't be changing that.). It's not that I think the entirety of what's called for is ridiculous, in fact much of it makes sense (i.e., the requirement to have knowledge of all three roles). It's that it's now causing people who want to be a mentor to play in a specific way, so to that extent, I agree with OP.

But much of the opposing side has brought up many legitimate arguments as to why these requirements make a lot of sense, or at least why they're going to be implemented, even though it means someone like me who loves to mentor can't be a mentor. I won't go into all that's been said, but they got me thinking...do I really need this system to help people? Is SE maybe implementing this to encourage people who have the skill, but not the want, to become helpful? Is this system really for helpful people, or people who can help but typically don't?

I realized that, despite my original excitement, in the end I won't be missing out on anything, I can still help players without being a "mentor". Besides, from my experience, having skill does not make one a good teacher, so the whole thing might become moot anyway. Either way, I guess I'm saying I don't think this is as big of a deal as we would be made to believe. If I'm wrong, then problems are going to ensue, no matter which side of this debate you're on, and then we'll have to wait for things to get fixed. I believe we're all used to that by now...