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  1. #11
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    We pay a sub fee... that is all that should be needed. Paying additional money for a house is not the solution. Sorry don't agree with this in the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinLi View Post
    This is why I think SE should introduce Personal Apartment for players who can't obtain a housing plot and don't want to be restricted to a FC.

    Inn rooms are decent but does not provide the customization option players want.

    Personal Apartment would be easier to provide customiable rooms for all players and would not require a plot instance like housing which currently serves mostly to limit the amount of housing in the game.
    Not arguing with that whatsoever, to be honest with you. There should be a way for each individual player to be able to afford a house or at least, an apartment of some sort to call their own and have the options of a mini home. But I am also under the impression that the housing system was created in the purpose for all players to join together in an FC and purchase it as an FC in order for you to work together. It's almost like an accomplishment. But again, even that's problematic because there's not enough housing for all the FCs out there.

    They honestly need to invest in the housing infrastructure with some of their money and that is that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinLi View Post
    This is why I think SE should introduce Personal Apartment for players who can't obtain a housing plot and don't want to be restricted to a FC.

    Inn rooms are decent but does not provide the customization option players want.

    Personal Apartment would be easier to provide customiable rooms for all players and would not require a plot instance like housing which currently serves mostly to limit the amount of housing in the game.
    Aren't they already working on this? O_o
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    The problem is that the wards are persistent areas that are ALWAYS loaded into the server. The reason they can't easily add more wards is because they rather naively designed a system that would require more physical server hardware to run each individual ward as opposed to instances that are only loaded to the server when needed (and thus need far less server capacity to operate and are much easier to expand on). How they didn't realise that this was going to be unsustainable I don't know. The ONLY real solutions at this point are either for the ward system to be scrapped or an additional, entirely instanced housing system to be added alongside it.

    Offering to pay extra to support additional servers STILL wouldn't solve the issue as every time they reach capacity you would need to wait for SE to buy and install new servers before more wards could be added. There is quite literally NOTHING that can be done to solve this issue short of scrapping/replacing the current system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinLi View Post
    This is why I think SE should introduce Personal Apartment for players who can't obtain a housing plot and don't want to be restricted to a FC.

    Inn rooms are decent but does not provide the customization option players want.

    Personal Apartment would be easier to provide customiable rooms for all players and would not require a plot instance like housing which currently serves mostly to limit the amount of housing in the game.

    UM, Are any of you in this topic aware of the simple fact that SE has in fact confirmed that they will be bringing personal apartments to the housing areas through what in Japan are called Mansions, and elsewhere are more properly known as condominiums, or perhaps apartments. In essence each 'mansion' will house up to 512 player apartments they also indicate they are working on gardening furnishings and some kind of communal chocobo stable.

    As I remember it this new form of housing will be a central building in the ward that players can enter their apartment through. Free Companies can have 512 members each with a personal chamber. This new concept is a communal housing building that houses 512 personal apartments for players. I would guess that this new concept is more or less a special implementation of the FC functionality to allow players who 'join' the mansion to purchase their apartment, and participate in gardening and chocobo raising in ways similar to those that are available within a Free Company. Of course there is no actual Free Company in this case, just a place holder for the mansion access and Personal Apartments.

    Either way, I'm more or less certain this has been announced in a previous Live Letter.

    Putting existing plots on the MogStation would be a disaster and very unfair to players who do not currently have a home since they would now be expected to pay extra $$ instead of in-game currency. OP, this is a poor idea that no one wants (there that's more polite than my original comment).
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    Last edited by Kosmos992k; 02-13-2016 at 04:18 AM.

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    While we are at it lets just delete all gil and make it even more useless then it already is. FF 14 economy is not really as relevant as it was in 1.0/2.0 with most things easily achieved now and days. Even the relic ingredients at this point in time is mainly for acquiring a glamour item if you have Savage weapons or even Thordan Xtreme weapons. Housing is the only real gil check in the system of a flood of gil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galdous View Post
    While we are at it lets just delete all gil and make it even more useless then it already is. FF 14 economy is not really as relevant as it was in 1.0/2.0 with most things easily achieved now and days. Even the relic ingredients at this point in time is mainly for acquiring a glamour item if you have Savage weapons or even Thordan Xtreme weapons. Housing is the only real gil check in the system of a flood of gil.
    Looking at the completion rates of Savage anything, I think you are wildly overestimating the number of players with such items, and very much understating the value of the newly enhanced relics.
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    Player Kosmos992k's Avatar
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    SE has already announced more plots and wards in existing areas, and apartment style housing is coming after that;

    January Live Letter, 4th Question.

    Q: Auto-reclamation for housing starts this month, but can you tell us if there will be any future additions of plots?
    A: We'll be increasing the number of plots for existing housing areas in Patch 3.3. After we expand those areas, we'll add apartment-style housing in Ishgard areas afterwards, starting with one apartment-style building which will hold about 512 residences. We’re also planning to make chocobo stables available for use to residents of apartment-style housing. Gardening patches are still proving somewhat difficult, but we’re currently developing new “planter pots” that will allow gardening.

    As per demand, we are also looking into the prospect of increasing the number of indoor furnishings which can be placed in residences.
    Note, that in this answer the original Japanese language used the term 'Mansion' to describe the building housing the apartments. I think that because they want this new type of housing to be roughly equivalent to small personal houses, the apartments will be two level Maisonettes - which fits very well the 'Mansion' concept in the original Japanese.
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    redundant - others already said what I was going to

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    No.

    Because if I buy a plot with real money; I would upset if I lost it 45 days later from taking a break.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    SE has already announced more plots and wards in existing areas, and apartment style housing is coming after that;

    January Live Letter, 4th Question.



    Note, that in this answer the original Japanese language used the term 'Mansion' to describe the building housing the apartments. I think that because they want this new type of housing to be roughly equivalent to small personal houses, the apartments will be two level Maisonettes - which fits very well the 'Mansion' concept in the original Japanese.
    The thing is 'more wards' is only a band aid as they will just run out within 10 minutes again. The game needs an unlimited pool of housing plots for players to buy. Many other MMOs have managed this so it is perfectly feasible. SE just designed the current system very very poorly.

    I'm not sure where you're getting the two storey thing from. 'Mansions' in Japan are apartment blocks. Flats. The mansions are still limited by the way; 512 apartments (not houses, they're likely identical to FC private chambers). Firstly they won't last long, and secondly players don't want apartments, they want houses. Like I said, other MMOs have managed this just fine so why can't SE?
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    Last edited by Alberel; 02-13-2016 at 05:19 AM.

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