"Dungeonfinder" - heaven or hell?!

[Coldbrand]

Uh, he's not making it up, anti-social behavior flares up to a whole different level, several notches ahead of whatever it is now, when the game automatically groups you, especially with people from foreign worlds.

[Lum]

If the main focus of end game content is Dungeons then i would rather not have it. Honestly the dungeon finder will be good IF we have content outside of being instanced. Give me the same amount of open world content as there is instance content that has at least the same worth and i will be happy.

[RemVye]

Keep in mind that not all the content is instanced.

If this was released today, you could queue for Toto-rak, Darkhold, and Ifrit. That's it.

In the future, 2 more instanced raids, 2 more primal fights.

This isn't all the game has to offer, exp parties, leve's, *hopefully lengthy-difficult-quests in the future, hamlet defense, strongholds, NM's, Grand Company things all aren't instanced.
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Yes, as more time passes additional things will be instanced and more people will queue. It won't be the whole game like WoW, where you quest alone, auto-queue for dungeons / pvp and sit in town after that.


Personally I think it's wise for them to keep the ratio 1/2 and 1/2 for instanced and non-instanced content. That should prevent the World from going completely unused, as well as making dungeons more difficult so you can't farm "easy" exp out of them.

I look forward to the cross-world play

[Wolfie]

It absolutely does. The people on your server are who you play with. To this day I can remember dozens of people on my server that I'd randomly encounter in parties, and you knew who you were grouping with, and you avoided problematic people. If you needed someone for a quest you could search the lfg's and if you saw someone you knew, you'd ask them for help. And it was quite frequent you found someone you knew.

Stop westernizing ffxiv please.

This happens in WOW too to some degree. What kills WOW's community is how fluid characters are, not the cross-realm play. You never run into the same people even if you stick to your own server, because people are always creating and deleting characters, because it's so easy.

[Gramul]

heaven or hell?!

Let's Rock!

Yeah, I'm not into this whole dungeon finder thing either. On one hand, you can quickly and easily form parties to take on a challenge withput having to wait and form a group with people on your server. But on the other hand, forming a group with the people on your server really helps your comunity to get to know each other more. It becomes less about systematicly moving from task to task, and more about making friends and growing as an in game society. Playing with people you'll never see again kinda takes away from the comunity growth MMO's have their greatest strength in.

At least from my own perspective. But who knows, maybe they'll implement it in a way I don't expect. I was wrong about Chocobos, I could be wrong about this.

[Crica]

The new server system for 2.0 was designed specifically for cross server grouping, we are getting cross server grouping. I love the feature personally. If you don't like it, group with your friends or LS members. This feature is amazing for players who don't have time to look for groups.

I couldn't agree more.

Join or form a Linkshell or three with players like yourself and build up your friend list with players you enjoyed meeting while leve questing if you want solid community.

Leave the casual gamers alone who do not wish to be a part of your solid community and prefer to play with random folks like themselves via a grouping tool instead.

Forcing them to join your solid community of Linkshells or be on your friend list in order to run content is only going to piss you and them off.

[Bearforce]

It absolutely does. The people on your server are who you play with. To this day I can remember dozens of people on my server that I'd randomly encounter in parties, and you knew who you were grouping with, and you avoided problematic people. If you needed someone for a quest you could search the lfg's and if you saw someone you knew, you'd ask them for help. And it was quite frequent you found someone you knew.

Stop westernizing ffxiv please.

whats so bad about copying good idea,s from the west? you sir dont make sense at all.

[Xatsh]

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Not going to copy paste the whole box since you commented on my quote deal... keeping the long copy paste out. Click the blue arrow on the comment to see the original post.

You can downplay all the negatives all you want but they exist and they are a major problem.

1) In XI if you went into a party and purposly screwed up, ninja looted, griefed other players you where shunned by the community... if you did it enough you where forced to do 2 things. Quit the game (since everyone would refuse to play with you) or pay for a server transfere (when they finally added 1). In WoW with dungeon finder the people you play with are basically tools for your progression, you will most likly not see them again, they are not on your server so no dmg to your rep in-game. You could mpk them all, steal loot, ruin a run and absolutely nothing came from it. 5 peoples time was wasted and 1 person got away with a huge reward or a laugh. This is how the community is damaged, it removes the need to treat others with respect and removed the need to be honest. And if someone wants to deny it happens they have not played WoW recently... when I played after cata about 1/5 partys had this happen with finder.

2) player A >>> "hey can you help with this dungeon", Linkshell >>> "just que up for it" , That there is destroying the purpose of a guild... and yea that happens a whole lot. The linkshell does not help anymore, you are expected to do it with the finder. A linkshell/Guild is an extended family which is suppose to come together to help everyone advance, The less reliable on guilds to do raids there is the more worthless the guild in general becomes. Even top guilds the above mentioned happens (although it will be to a lesser extent)and when it does it dmgs that bond which makes a guild something you want to be in. The we are here for the greater good of the group, not just as a means of advancement.

3) MMOs where born to remove the lobby system of the past, that was what made EQ and early mmos special and why they where designed in that way. It was no longer a dungeon crawler but a whole world. Arguing that this is not a regression in the online game genre is simple ignorance. You can prefer the old ways but it is by definition a regression of why mmos came about.

4) The you can choose not to use it argument is void. People will not purposly take the harder path, it is not human nature. So if dungeon finder exist people will use it. Especially if it becomes the norm and people cannot make partys effectively in other ways. Basically it forces everyone to use it. Go into WoW and shout for a party in Ogrimar or Stormwind or something to try to get a dungeon together... I guarantee you will get about 20 responses with something like "Use the Dungeon finder noob." It is the same thing as the party search atm in XIV, IT works perfectly, but the community refuses to use it. Therefor it forces everyone to make partys in another way. Same will happen with finder.

[Nikita]

I couldn't agree more.

Join or form a Linkshell or three with players like yourself and build up your friend list with players you enjoyed meeting while leve questing if you want solid community.

Leave the casual gamers alone who do not wish to be a part of your solid community and prefer to play with random folks like themselves via a grouping tool instead.

Forcing them to join your solid community of Linkshells or be on your friend list in order to run content is only going to piss you and them off.

Lol, I think the free company system is incentive enough in itself for people to do things on their own server... I really don't see why people are freaking out.

[Daenerys_Sedai]

Let's Rock!

Yeah, same thing went through my head when I read the topic. FIGHT!
Ahh Guilty Gear.. so many memories.