Thread: Patch 3.2 Trailer is Up

I'm also not interested in seeing the same content reused over and over and over and over again. We have been seeing this for 2-3 years straight now. We had hopes that HW would give something different to the table instead we got ARR reskinned into HW.

I... I don't really understand this. How are we seeing the same content reused over and over? Do you mean, Hard Mode and Extreme versions of dungeons? That I could see as re-used content, but each one I've done has added new monsters, new mechanics, and new story to them. Same setting, different things. While I agree it's reused, I think it's unfair to say it's 100% the same.

It's not like each patch hasn't introduced something new either. Last patch we got Verminion, which we didn't have before. This patch we're getting Earth, Sea, and Sky, which is something we didn't have before either. So, we're getting something new added to the game with each patch.

Then we get actual, consistent updates in each patch that seem to come in every patch, but they add to the core gameplay, and I don't think these should be excluded from a patch. New Dungeons, New Raids, New Gear, New Hairstyles, New PvP stuff, New MSQ, etc...

I honestly don't see how things are being re-used over and over again. They're expanding on and adding to the core of the game. That's a good thing. They're adding new things with each patch, also a good thing.

Personally I don't care for everything being added, but I do see some things in the coming patch that I know I will enjoy. I entertain myself with the game outside of what's added, with the community. That's me, but maybe if the content isn't enough, other players should consider the same?

This game has been out for more than 2 years now. Does anyone honestly think that a patch will somehow wildly change its formula? I understand that this game's formula may not be for you, but honestly, just quit if you're expecting something wildly different with a patch at this point, seeing what all the previous ones have brought. I like this game, I like this game a lot. Each major patch keeps the game from becoming too stale, adds a ton of QoL improvements, gives me cool-looking gear to get, and new raids and primals to challenge; I'm really excited.

As a sidenote, I always find it really funny how most players that complain about lack of content are people who've barely touched current endgame, or hell, not even completed the Coils at this point. If that's not your thing, and you don't want do to that, that's fine, I'm not saying there's something wrong with that, but just because you don't like content, doesn't mean that the content isn't there. Go dabble with crafting, gathering, learn how to play other jobs. You can have every single class on one character in this game. I'll definitely agree with you if you say that there are things you just don't want to do, but it definitely doesn't count as lack of content; it's there, you just don't want to do it. This is the only MMO I've ever played where we consistently get updates to keep the game fresh.

Originally Posted by Odett

This game has been out for more than 2 years now. Does anyone honestly think that a patch will somehow wildly change its formula? I understand that this game's formula may not be for you, but honestly, just quit if you're expecting something wildly different with a patch at this point, seeing what all the previous ones have brought. I like this game, I like this game a lot. Each major patch keeps the game from becoming too stale, adds a ton of QoL improvements, gives me cool-looking gear to get, and new raids and primals to challenge; I'm really excited.

It's not unusual for overhauls, both FFXIV 1.0 and WoW have had major overhauls to their systems over the years.

Originally Posted by Odett

That's true, but FFXIV's overhaul came in the form of a brand new game. My experience with WoW wasn't very far-reaching, so if I'm wrong, please feel free to correct me :3 I started towards the end of TBC, and played endgame through Wrath, Cataclysm, and a little bit of MoP before I got tired of the game; i took a lot of long breaks in-between. If by overhauls, you mean the change from 40 person raiding, into 25, into the option for 10, or not having to do reputation quests to unlock the heroic version of a dungeon, those all came with expansions. I'm not sure when they implemented raid finder feature, I wasn't playing by then, but all those things haven't been a wild change to the game's formula in terms of endgame objectives. You still did your daily and weekly heroics, and raided if you liked raiding.

If this game's endgame is being redefined, I would expect that to happen with the coming of a new expansion, not with a patch that happens every 3 months.

Ah no sorry, tbh my experience is similar to yours. By overhauls I mean things like changing how talent trees work completely, reducing skill bloat and adding new stats to gear.

Originally Posted by Odett

That's true, but FFXIV's overhaul came in the form of a brand new game. My experience with WoW wasn't very far-reaching, so if I'm wrong, please feel free to correct me :3
I started towards the end of TBC, and played endgame through Wrath, Cataclysm, and a little bit of MoP before I got tired of the game; i took a lot of long breaks in-between. If by overhauls, you mean the change from 40 person raiding, into 25, into the option for 10, or not having to do reputation quests to unlock the heroic version of a dungeon, and those all came with expansions. I'm not sure when they implemented raid finder feature, I wasn't playing by then, but all those things haven't been a wild change to the game's formula in terms of endgame objectives. You still did your daily and weekly heroics, and raided if you liked raiding.

If this game's endgame is being redefined, I would expect that to happen with the coming of a new expansion, not with a patch that happens every 3 months.

Indeed major gameplay system overhauls usually come with expansions. That's partly why players have been so tired of the game since 3.0 launched as none of the existing game systems were improved and very little truly new was added. We just got more content added to the same old systems.

In my experience with MMOs every expansion needs to add a new form of core gameplay to keep players interested long-term. Something new to do alongside all the other core progression systems. In FFXI each expansion included something like this, with wildly differing forms of endgame content. We got things like Besieged wherein the beast tribes invaded Aht Urghan and players had to defend the city, and Nyzul Isle which was essentially an endless tower dungeon.

The devs need to sit down and think of a new core gameplay mechanic to add to the game. Something besides dungeons, fates and hunts...