About Plot selling

[MeridaQ]

If someone pays you for your wares with gil that is dirty (RMT) the player accepting the payment is considered responsible as I understand... Its not a safe thing to do.

I don't know about the seller being responsible for "dirty gil" as a crafter I have crafted and sold thousands of items both via Mb and person to person sales. Will I get punished for making and selling an item to someone using RMT Gil? If so how am I going vet each client I interact with? There is no system in the game to do so only word of mouth and I dont see people freely admitting to buying Gil. I would say if people do get punished that is very wrong of a system that gives no way for people to check their sources. If I turned down every client that I didn't know where their Gil came from I would only make items for like 3 people.

Its unfortunate that there is a housing shortage, but lets not get into fear mongering.

[Cherie]

Its unfortunate that there is a housing shortage, but lets not get into fear mongering.

It's not paranoia if the boogieman is real... :/

But yea, I stand by my story. If people want to say it's not true it's fine. I mean, it is kind of hard to believe, unless you were subbed during that time. People that played during the first few months of 2.0 launch probably remember all the upset people complaining about it during that time. It didn't effect me, I didn't have 2 gil to rub together. I just was pointing out that we pay our subs for the experience of playing. Our digital goods do not *belong* to us in any court of law. SE can do what they please with our digital property. Let's just hope they are willing to let it exist as long as we are willing to play. FFXI used to have a perk for returning players... They'd restore your old character data. That's right, they used to say they delete it if you didn't sub for a while... Things are different now though of course. Storage space is much cheaper too.

[DeeColon]

Trying to punish players for selling plots to each other is just a poor bandaid for the housing system itself, without the option it just makes it worse, since some people, me included, aren't going to just give it up for some stranger if they can't get anything out of it at all.

I was up at 3am on Christmas day waiting for housing reclaim to hit and sat for around 13 - 14 hours in Mists waiting for houses to pop checking back on the game occasionally, I managed to get one, 30 minutes later I saw there were still a lot of small plots available in some wards so decided "why not", and had an FC mate help me trade gil over to my alt character and bought a second house that day. I haven't been using the houses as much as I had expected to so now my alt's house especially is just sitting idle, useless to the game aside from being a place I occasionally teleport to to use the Mender to repair.

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[DeeColon]

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Now if I'm not allowed to sell it, I'm keeping it permanently since I have no incentive whatsoever to give it up. For the amount of time and effort it took to get the house I'm not going to allow it to be reclaimed by the server to get a small sum of gil back either, 4 - 5 mil is a joke for what it takes to actually get a house in this game.

So then, there is one player with two houses, one currently (nearly) unused in a great spot in Mists that's going to stay pseudo-vacant until the end of time because according to SE I'm not allowed to get rid of it in a way that doesn't feel like it hurts me. I don't consider it to be greedy of me to be unwilling to take a hit for a stranger on the internet I'll probably never meet knowing maybe one day I actually will find something to do with it, but instead of being able to just sell it and have it out of my hands permanently to not need to think about anymore, it's stuck.

[Judah_Brandt]

You pressed a button in a video game and now think you deserve more than 80% of your imaginary game currency back for it, and then instead of just accepting that you would rather either gouge another player or just hoard it on a character you rarely use it on. That, um, is the absolute epitomy of greed. It doesn't harm you. At all. You perceive harm because you feel entitlement. Because you're greedy. You bought a second house after you all ready had one. Because you're greedy. You admittedly don't use it, but don't want to give it up. Because you're greedy.

TL;DR - You're greedy.

[Mael-bess]

TL;DR - You're greedy.

This. So much this.

[Alberel]

You pressed a button in a video game and now think you deserve more than 80% of your imaginary game currency back for it, and then instead of just accepting that you would rather either gouge another player or just hoard it on a character you rarely use it on. That, um, is the absolute epitomy of greed. It doesn't harm you. At all. You perceive harm because you feel entitlement. Because you're greedy. You bought a second house after you all ready had one. Because you're greedy. You admittedly don't use it, but don't want to give it up. Because you're greedy.

TL;DR - You're greedy.

This attitude really isn't helpful in the least. I take it if you logged in to find you had zero gil in your account tomorrow you wouldn't complain right? Because to complain would mean you were feeling "entitlement" to your "imaginary game currency".

The fact is it would be in SE's interests to give players a legitimate means to either sell houses directly to other players or get the relinquished 80% value back at will (not after 45 days). They need to encourage players to give up plots they don't want, and imposing tighter and tighter restrictions on players relinquishing their plots is only going to make the shortage WORSE as they will not willingly give up a plot only to lose the huge investment they put into it.

SE's flip-flopping stance on the issue really hasn't helped either as they have been directly quoted as saying this was fine back when housing first released. They only turned into a crime after they screwed up the auto-demolish so badly and the same people bought every house just to resell them. They SHOULD have put an account limit of one house prior to the demolition.

There is nothing greedy about refusing to give up a plot you saved up to buy when you stand only to lose your gil by doing so. A lot of the people selling their plots legitimately want rid of it for one of any number of good reasons. To give you just a few, they may be: transferring servers, moving house, leaving the game for longer than three months (the auto-reclaimed gil only sits for one month so if you know you'll be gone longer you HAVE to sell it). In these cases the players selling the plot do not WANT to price gouge other players, they simply want to get back the gil they invested. You cannot blame people for that.

If anyone here sounds 'entitled' it is you for demanding players willingly sacrifice their investment just so you can get a house now, now, now. The problem here is NOT the people selling the houses; it's the broken system that doesn't even allow it legitimately in the first place.

[Lexia]

In these cases the players selling the plot do not WANT to price gouge other players, they simply want to get back the gil they invested. You cannot blame people for that.

Investment in what? The plot itself or all the stuff you put in the house? I can see people wanting the gil back they paid for the house but all the stuff they put into the house take it with you, what you can cause I know some stuff can't or don't. Don't try to pass that off the the person you trying to sell the give up rights to cause you not giving them all those items also.

[Lyci]

My ingame wife wanted to buy a house for us, she really tried to safe alot of gil (she dont allow me to help her <.<), she dont has a high crafter or anything, made gil just by stuff she got from story, leves and then wrote someone who wanted to sell a plot and my wife was like ;-; O_O, just for to release the plot wanted 10mil <.< and it was just a small one...... so 15mil for a small house.....no thanks

[Jetstream_Fox]

My ingame wife wanted to buy a house for us, she really tried to safe alot of gil (she dont allow me to help her <.<), she dont has a high crafter or anything, made gil just by stuff she got from story, leves and then wrote someone who wanted to sell a plot and my wife was like ;-; O_O, just for to release the plot wanted 10mil <.< and it was just a small one...... so 15mil for a small house.....no thanks

Whoever tried to sell you a small house for 15 million was probably the owner of few other houses. On my server we had a player who bought multiple houses and advertised them across the pf. I'm under the impression they were banned but the prices were about the same 10 million for a small 25 million for a medium and 50 for a large.