Goad - the ability that doesn't exist

[Lan_Mantear]

I say the same thing about brds when Im on nin doing aoe dps, because brd have 2 ways to regain tp that dont have a 3 min cooldown... goad, with the 3 min cooldown has to line up right when you are needing it during an aoe fight, thats only going to happen a couple times in a normal dungeon if at all, and war have priority over brd in a big pull anyway. So next time you think you need goad how about you battle voice and paeon instead, or use invigorate.

Keep in mind. Goad has zero impact on a Ninja's ability to dps, while Army's Paeon will lower that Bards DPS by 15%. So there is a valid reason for hesitancy there. I do agree that BRD should have invigorate. I rarely run out of TP on BRD even when spamming AOEs.

A lot of Ninja's seem to forget they have that ability. I can't count the number of times I've tanked a party full of ninja's, and get complete silence when I ask for Goad.

[Raagnar]

Keep in mind. Goad has zero impact on a Ninja's ability to dps, while Army's Paeon will lower that Bards DPS by 15%. So there is a valid reason for hesitancy there. I do agree that BRD should have invigorate. I rarely run out of TP on BRD even when spamming AOEs.

A lot of Ninja's seem to forget they have that ability. I can't count the number of times I've tanked a party full of ninja's, and get complete silence when I ask for Goad.

Yeah, I play both jobs, but being out of tp also seriously impacts dps, and paeon works for the whole pt, not using it is hurting more then just the brd. So no, I dont think there is a valid reason to not use tools SE gave you when you need them.

Besides, you only need it up for a few seconds, especially when paired with BV which as you say about nin, brd seem to forget they have BV.

[Lan_Mantear]

Yeah, I play both jobs, but being out of tp also seriously impacts dps, and paeon works for the whole pt, not using it is hurting more then just the brd. So no, I dont think there is a valid reason to not use tools SE gave you when you need them.

I said valid reason for hesitancy. Never said to not use it. There should be no hesitance on the Ninja's part. Good Ninja's never even need to be asked. They see someone with low TP, Goad, bam! done.

[Raagnar]

I said valid reason for hesitancy. Never said to not use it. There should be no hesitance on the Ninja's part. Good Ninja's never even need to be asked. They see someone with low TP, Goad, bam! done.

I agree, and this thread seems to be about jobs not using their tools properly, not sure what you are getting at other than agreeing with me. But brds are and have always been the worst offender of not using stuff to benefit the pt. there are way more, why dont brd sing? threads then why dont nins goad? threads lol. I rarely even see brd using foe requiem for mages and that does not have a 15% reduction to dps, its purely beneficial but they never use it.

[Lan_Mantear]

I agree, and this thread seems to be about jobs not using their tools properly, not sure what you are getting at other than agreeing with me. But brds are and have always been the worst offender of not using stuff to benefit the pt. there are way more, why dont brd sing? threads then why dont nins goad? threads lol.

I think we are agreeing on the main point, but from different perspectives. I'd just like to point out that BRDs have a penalty for using their support abilities, and by default they are already viewed as second-string dps. Which is why there is a reluctance there. Utility abilities on other dps jobs have little to no draw back.

As far as foe's is concerned. There is no excuse for not using that, besides being lazy.

[Raagnar]

I think we are agreeing on the main point. I'd just like to point out that BRDs have a penalty for using their support abilities, and by default they are already viewed as second-string dps. Which is why there is a reluctance there.

I didnt say nin should be reluctant, and there was no reason to defend bad brds by saying it takes 15%, most of us who play brd are aware of it, but that is no defense for not playing to your full potential. Face it, brd is NOT pure dps despite the holy trinity being in place here. They nerfed brd dps in the past because they had too many beneficial tools for a party. So when the pt is needing one of your buffs there is absolutely no reason to avoid using it unless you are just being lazy and lets be honest, most of us can get away with being lazy because these dungeons are easy. But we have someone bitching about nins not using goad and its incredibly ironic because its coming from a bard. Keep in mind, songs are only ever on for a few seconds, that 15% reduction is an overplayed argument, we are talking about normal dungeon content here. You rarely need songs (or goad).