Goad - the ability that doesn't exist

[Delorean]

simply ask for it

you're already juggling enough as a ninja without having to keep track of everyones TP as well

[RiceisNice]

How, exactly, is it obvious? You're, actually, wrong, but I am still curious how you've come to the conclusion on your own.

Paladins use the most tp out of the three tanks, much more so if they need to stun.

[Santherelle]

Apparently, Goad has been removed from the game. That can be the only reason that Ninjas never give me (brd) Goad when doing heavy aoe. This is only slightly an exaggeration. I figure I get goad from less than 5% of ninjas.

This is the case regardless of what other jobs are in the party. In fact, I rarely, if ever, see Goad being used on anyone at all.

My songs are always up as appropriate. Perhaps you can play your job as well? Just a thought.

Best reason for no goading:

Ps3 Limitations

[Fynlar]

All Bard party buff songs (except swiftsong) will put you on the agro list of any mob once you get into max range distance away. There doesn't need to be any other action or party hate. Sometimes I actually need to step out of the arena entry to pre cast Foe's to avoid accidentally pulling the boss.

No, they don't. I can run around in the overworld with Ballad/Paeon up and nothing cares. Run around with Requiem up though and I will aggro everything I pass by.

If the same thing happened with Indi-Poison GEO bubbles in FFXI (the first spell a geomancer gets), people would have considered that a big problem. Yet here in this game, nobody seems to bat an eye at it except me.

You know what's sad? It says it restores the TP of a party member. Since it doesn't work on yourself, it implies you are not a member of the party but rather...something else. Maybe a monster nobody likes, or a lesser being.

I took issue with that phrasing too. Same with Eye for an Eye.

PLD running out of TP is a joke, right? I mean, sure, maybe if you're an OT and reduced to the role of DPS because there are no adds for you to pick up. PLD shouldn't run out of TP during, actual, tanking. Weave some flash in, and save yourself from running out of TP and doing even less DPS.

Yes, rock that zero-damage Flash at that late point into the fight when hate should be firmly on you anyway.

Your post was a joke, right?

[DisFlavored]

Reasons I don't Goad:
1. I'm focused on DPS.
2. I forgot that they actually put the TP bar in the party list and don't watch it.
3. I have NO idea if you've already used your Invigorate.

It is not the Ninja's job to manage your TP. If you need a Goad, ask. As far as your experience with that one Ninja, sorry?

[Darkstride]

Reasons I dont Goad:
1. I'm focused on DPS.
2. I forgot that they actually put the TP bar in the party list and don't watch it.
3. I have NO idea if you've already used your Invigorate.

As a Ninja myself, I find this attitude to be rather lazy. I have no issue with using Goad if I can see another party member in need. Who cares if they used Invigorate already? I don't ever hear someone complain that I used Goad on them before they had a chance to Invigorate.
Yes, we are DPS, but there's no reason we cant offer support as well. We can help other party members maximize TP usage at no loss to our own damage whatsoever. If Goad required some semi-complex mechanic that took away from your own ability to do your job, then I may take issue with it. However, its a simple way to aid your teammates and I see no reason why a Ninja should actively ignore that you even have it.

[DisFlavored]

As a Ninja myself, I find this attitude to be rather lazy. I have no issue with using Goad if I can see another party member in need. Who cares if they used Invigorate already? I don't ever hear someone complain that I used Goad on them before they had a chance to Invigorate.
Yes, we are DPS, but there's no reason we cant offer support as well. We can help other party members maximize TP usage at no loss to our own damage whatsoever. If Goad required some semi-complex mechanic that took away from your own ability to do your job, then I may take issue with it. However, its a simple way to aid your teammates and I see no reason why a Ninja should actively ignore that you even have it.

I'm not ignoring the fact that I have Goad. Nor am I saying that I never use Goad, I guess I should have said reason's why I usually don't. It's usually #2.
If asked, I will provide it. Sorry if my forgetfulness comes off as lazy :/

[Kaiser-Ace]

Goad goes almost exclusively to Tanks when I go Ninja.

After that, DPS who can't cross class invigorate take priority to DPS who can cross it (and if you can you should).

So Bards, Mechanist, Monks, Dragoons, and other Ninjas are usually on their own. Especially when Bards and Mechanists have TP recovery skills of their own.

Come to think of it, are there even any Melee Dps that actually CANT use invigorate.as a cross skill?

[AhoyCaptain]

I don't goad bards because if they're low on tp that means that I'm even lower. And if they have goad they won't song.
So quit your whining. You're also wrong in saying that WAR is the only tank that needs goad.
A2s the WAR gets goad. Most other fights it's the PLD.

[Evangela]

I always goad the other DPS when doing large group AoE but sadly a lot of non-mage DPS I met in DF didn't do AoE. Many ninjas didn't trade goad with me even after I goaded them.

but you have to understand this: Goad has a fairly long cd and mostly can be used for one group of enemies and it'll be down for the next group.