How do many of you feel about helping?

[AskaRay]

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I don't pretend it makes me a good samaritan/mentor/whale biologist to tell people these things. I just want things to not be awful, and I want my loot at the end.

Seems like a lot of posters here derive something akin to pleasure from "going down with the ship." I, uh, don't think that's a very healthy mentality. It's okay to value your own time. Really. It's okay. Leave the duty. Come back later. The next group will be better.

It's also okay to want to see people get better.
I hate losing. I don't like wasting time, but I DO like going "wow, look at that, we wiped a few times but in the end we did it!" I think that's a much better feeling then in, out, done.

I especially like helping newbies, since I want them to enjoy the game. After helping, I think "man I hope they enjoy the game as much as I do".

[Atoli]

Sometimes I love helping, sometimes I hate it. Depends on my daily mood and what kind of encounters with others I already had that day.
But even when I'm not in the mood to help anyone, I still tend to be on the patient side, I never leave before a wipe just because a new player bonus popped up, I tend to wait at least 3 wipes before leaving.
During that time, I give out explanations, usually in a nice, helpful tone, on bad days in a bit of a snarky way I admit
After the third wipe, or, if it's a training/clear party and no progress is made over an adequate amount of time (ranging from 10 minutes to a full hour, depending on the difficulty of what people keep doing wrong), I usually just quietly drop party without a word.
Sometimes I apologize and say that I don't see this going anywhere.

But that's for bad days. On good days, I stay and explain things over and over until OTHERS get so annoyed that they kick the one who is holding everyone back or disband the party x)
Ratio of good to bad days is probably around 70:30.

Also, I dislike rewards for helping. I never do stuff for new player bonuses either. I want people to have an experience, one they can look back to later and think "wow, that fight was awesome/fun/exiting/hard but rewarding/etc."
Which is one of the main reasons why I strongly support synced clear groups for Coil, EX primals and the like. After all, I have many fond memories from clearing content only slightly above the minimum ilvl. Buttclenching was included, but it just felt completely different than running through something with 7 lvl 60 dudes who obliterate everything in their path while ignoring any mechanic, and I want new players to get the same level of fun, satisfaction and awe as I got out of those fights

[ruskie]

If the team is receptive to being helped then I'll help. I enjoy helping others when I can. Though often than not a lot of them don't apreciate it.

Usually though it's not the new inexperienced players that case me to face palm or get aggitated... it's usually the ones that expect perfection out of everyone and with their silly go watch a video before you do something attitude...

And like Atoli I love doing synced clears - they are just more fun. But usually when someone queues up for that you suddenly have 3 people complain that it isn't synced - I tend to go "yay \o/ synced run!" and then am sad since they requeue unsynced... The experience and memories are what makes those fights worth more.

Tend to anly vote kick the abusive ones and not those that actually are trying to work it out and keep trying.

And yes tend to say hi when queue in, goodbye when leaving.

[Jas710]

People seem to get so easily stressed out and anxious about screwing up. Listen, players are human and not AI bots tagging along in your single player game.

1. Enter an instance.
2. Say hi. No one responds? Strike 1.
3. Run begins. I give us as a group the benefit of the doubt to do the run without wiping. Doesn\\'t matter to me what methods. There is no "you guys need to do it this one way" bs.
4. If the group wipes after a sincere attempt, strike 2 but I\\'ll stick around to watch the group get better. Chances are we all know the run but have learned them differently. Just takes a little time for the group to mentally sync up. But if there is clearly a reckless or ignorant vibe, then strike 3; I drop the hell out and eat the 30min ban with no looking back.
5. If a third wipe occurs after a sincere retry, I\\'ll chime in with quick tips just for the problem spots. No biggie. No dramas.
6. Group usually clears ok by then. We say good job, and then exit. Cake for everyone.

[Torunya]

Taken from the Oxford dictionary, just to get a clearcut definition. Per definition there's actually little to no actual difference between Noob and Newbie. Although I personally feel the former is more negatively charged than the latter.


Definition of noob in English:
noun

informal
A person who is inexperienced in a particular sphere or activity, especially computing or the use of the Internet.

Origin

Early 21st century: from newbie.

Definition of newbie in English:
noun (plural newbies)

informal
An inexperienced newcomer to a particular activity.

[Arrius]

[...]

For the sake of everyone, it is better when you guys use the term newb/newbie to the new players, as you pointed out that 'noob' comes with lots of negativity stuck to it. "****ing noobs", as players would say often to lost matches.

[Kaurie]

Taken from the Oxford dictionary, just to get a clearcut definition. Per definition there's actually little to no actual difference between Noob and Newbie. Although I personally feel the former is more negatively charged than the latter.


Definition of noob in English:
noun

informal
A person who is inexperienced in a particular sphere or activity, especially computing or the use of the Internet.

Origin

Early 21st century: from newbie.

Definition of newbie in English:
noun (plural newbies)

informal
An inexperienced newcomer to a particular activity.

No.

Newb/Newbie is the term for people that are new to the game.

Noobs are people that aren't willing to admit or change their bad playstyle.


People keep using that noob term for calling out new people, but that is wrong.

Thank you both. i had no idea people used Noob in an insulting manner. I only ever see people refer to themselves as noob, "Hey all, I'm a noob." when new to content. It's interesting to know that people use it differently.

For the sake of everyone, it is better when you guys use the term newb/newbie to the new players, as you pointed out that 'noob' comes with lots of negativity stuck to it. "****ing noobs", as players would say often to lost matches.

In this context, ****ing is the negative aspect. I mean replace noob with newb, or noob with healer. "****ing healer!" would be equally offensive, but the term healer is not at all offensive.

That said, I never call someone a noob, newb or newbie. I may refer to a FC mate, "ah look at the newbie!" if they are doing something adorable, or I'll refer to myself as a noob (stated above).

[Iagainsti]

No.

Newb/Newbie is the term for people that are new to the game.

Noobs are people that aren't willing to admit or change their bad playstyle.

People keep using that noob term for calling out new people, but that is wrong.

Nope:

noob
noun informal

noun: noob; plural noun: noobs
a person who is inexperienced in a particular sphere or activity, especially computing or the use of the Internet.



You're wrong sir ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Arrius]

[...]

We got different sources and experiences with this. I, however, see the term 'noob' as someone who can be a new player, but is not willing to learn or change. And those are probably not the type we will see in the mentor program anyway.

Hence I will call those who do want to get better and admit their error 'newbie/newb', or the 'new player'/'Leaf', rather than plaster them with the negativity that comes with the term 'noob'.

[Kaurie]

We got different sources and experiences with this. I, however, see the term 'noob' as someone who can be a new player, but is not willing to learn or change. And those are probably not the type we will see in the mentor program anyway.

Hence I will call those who do want to get better and admit their error 'newbie/newb', or the 'new player'/'Leaf', rather than plaster them with the negativity that comes with the term 'noob'.

What do you mean call them. As in, when you enter an instance "Hello newbie, I am your mentor."? or like, call them newbie when referring to them while talking to other people? I am not sure people want to be called newbie either, and would probably just prefer you refer to them by name.