Changing the Two-Healer Dynamic

[ruskie]

As my secondary is white mage I am always grateful when I have a competent scholar around that is willing to dps but also help out with shields as needed.

[Neela]

Hmm i think most of the Sch Tint is running through are just casual players... in my fc are people who said sch is the easiest healer to play... what makes me angry, they think they can rely on their faery and everything is going well... i play sch and whm myself - whm for main healing and sch for off healing, playing as off heal i often grp up with an ast from my fc - and it works great, really, really great (Team Khalessi ftw yay ). I can focus on dots and shadowflare but never lose sight of heavy impact incoming... for me sch (and asts) are way more complex/interessting cls than whms – if you try to be your best. Schs instant heals and mana management just fits great for off heal support imo, while asts and whms toolkits are great for heavy heals.

neverless there are a few really great asts and schs out there who can at least soloheal just as perfect as whms and for me, personally, they should earn much more respect than those common "dps-wanna-be-haha-you-havent-clear-savage?" ones, who often forget that they are still healers in the end... but thats just me... currently im training day for day just to compete with them... :3

in a nutshell: good soloheal schs are still unique.

[Nekotee]

Solo healing a group as SCH is quite hard because of the few mass healing spell or the cooldown of the existing one XD
But it's far from impossible ! Just need to time everything correctly

Even without having Eos out.
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I'm pissed and amused by some people in my FC saying that they are healer... As SCH...
When they only spam physic or adlo
Got eos out in auto mode and wasting all AF in healing...

Nop... A SCH is much more than being a LAZY healer XD (that's the whm job)

Not managing the fairy is killing like half of your potential

[Neela]

Solo healing a group as SCH is quite hard because of the few mass healing spell or the cooldown of the existing one XD
But it's far from impossible ! Just need to time everything correctly

(...)

I'm pissed and amused by some people in my FC saying that they are healer... As SCH...
When they only spam physic or adlo- Got eos out in auto mode and wasting all AF in healing...

Nop... A SCH is much more than being a LAZY healer XD (that's the whm job)

Not managing the fairy is killing like half of your potential

totally agree with u!

about the lazy part, that's what i stated above too - it's funny and frustrating at the same time :3

[Dzian]

The healers dynamic isn't much different from the tanks one.

There's a lot of occasions where you don't need 2 tanks and one ends up being a weak dps. Which is essentially no different from the ops 2 healer issue.

And it suffers the same problems as well. I.e

What happens if duty finder pairs up 2 dps healers as the op called them into the healer slots of a group.

That group is going to be lacking a lot of healing power. Especially if those dps healers only have 15-20% of a full healers restorative output

Same with tanks and why they don't vary much. One of the issues with pld is the dps loss from having 2 in the same group. But 2 warriors or 2 darks ldon't share the problem.

[Werhusky]

Offtopic:
I main SCH and I actually impressed how bad an opinion of SCH healing exists. I experience it in A3S We had last week 2 PUGs helping us out and at one pull the Digitis was derped so our WHM (we have WHM solo until adds) ended up with the healing potency down and I heard on TS from one of the PUGs "This gonna be hard on the SCH". It was during 2 hands phase. Well yes it is not the easiest if you are that very moment using Selene and SCH AOE heals all rely on your stacks (3/min, Indom has 30s CD) and Emergengy Tactics (30s CD) but still not a unmanageable task >.<
A scholar that doesn't know to heal is not worth being called healer.

On topic:
If a fight has large parts where you need almost no healing why not have one healer DPSing? It must happen in agreement though.
I personally only get sad if people ask me to soloheal some parts and then don't even know how to DPS or drop Cleric the moment I see a safe moment to go full burst. Even in a soloheal I am allowed to put DPS but if you leave your coheal soloing unannounced that is not fair.

[Nathair]

You need to be good at your job to solo-heal current stuff, like Thordan, or Savage.
Absolutely doable with two healers, but if you have to solo-heal, you have to bee good, and I believe that's pretty much a fact.

SE has no intention to tune the game around this kind of players, as we've seen, and as they've said.
NìSo now, if I'm paired with someone good enough, what should I do?
/sit till the fight is over? Because overhealing is not a nice thing, and it's a MP waste.

The DPS healer will have roughly 80 to 85 percent of a true DPS's output and will not scale as well with gear; the DPS healer will have weak heals that can solo heal 4-man content but not 8-mans. In addition, the DPS healer will have abilities that will augment the primary healer's healing output to allow him/her to more easily solo-heal (i.e. an ability that increases the other healer's healing by 20-30%).

This type of job would probably be my dream co-healer and a job that I wouldn't mind playing from time to time.

Phisicks+Adlo+Indomitability+Succor+Lustrate, that's all the healing Skills/Spells a SCH has (+ Embrace).
You can't count Eos, because you don't always have her out, but even with her you just gain another heal.
Its main AoE heals are a 30s cooldowns.
Fairy with Embrace, Eos with Rouse+WD and Fey Illumination.
What you described is a SCH, as other have said.