I think the reason why everyone is freaking out is...

[Rizon]

Yes. If your PC is not at a ps3's level then you may need a new PC. New engine will have more settings so you can make it run on lower end PC's so you don't need to worry. If you can run it now you will be fine then.

For clarrification. When this game first came out I bought an off the shelf Gateway FX6820. Its specs did not quite match the stated requirements but I have had no problems playing the game since launch. All I was saying is that the information tyhat SE has provided that SE provided implies that there should be no need to upgrade your current hardware to accomidate the new engine and the PC somewhat below this can be used.

[Antipika]

Well we already know that the current game is far from being well optimized, even if it does looks nice, it is possible to produce something just as nice, using less resources. So even if 2.0 will (apparently) look better, it doesn't mean than minimum hardware requirements will be really higher. We are talking about minimum here.

It may be really hard if not impossible for SE to disclose yet what the minimum hardware requirements will be, not a year in advance. Especially when you know that having optimized drivers for a game can boost performance sometime up by 30%... So determining one year in advance whats minimum requirements will be is tricky.

[Soukyuu]

People not willing to pay and justifying it with the reasons OP posted will find something else to complain about.
There is enough upcoming content to satisfy people currently playing and make them continue to do so until 2.0, with the promise of those events being "one time only" being an additional incentive. People who play(ed) on and off and didn't really level nor have any contacts ingame (me, for example) might not want to pay though. Especially since most people only play within their LS.

The roadmap sounds promising and all, but so did the initial launch. They also still didn't fix the alt-tab crash issue and I somehow highly doubt it will be fixed with 2.0 or any patch before that.

[feint2021]

"Why are the fanboys paying for a game that is 50% done? Yoshi-P said it was 50% done so he must charge 50% of the fees"

You're dead wrong...He said that by the time 1.19 comes out the game will be 50% done to "Launch Expectations" and that 1.20 will be near 100%, which means that when 1.20 (which is when the billing cycle starts), the game is at "launching condition", therefore the fees are fine how they are going by that logic.

I'm a bit confused about this. It took one year to get to 50%, and in just two additional months, it gets to 100%? I'm all for them charging a subscription fee, it's just that logic seems a bit off.

[RemVye]

I'm a bit confused about this. It took one year to get to 50%, and in just two additional months, it gets to 100%? I'm all for them charging a subscription fee, it's just that logic seems a bit off.

Hey Feint. Allow me to illustrate this through an analogy which may assist you in understanding this a bit more.

FFXIV at launch was similar to a train wreck (literally). Tanaka was the conductor and he derailed the train. It's a huge mess and after a little bit of time (2-3 months for ffxiv) the company that owns the train (SE) put it back on the tracks and found a new conductor Yoshi-p. The development of FFXIV is similar to a train which starts up slowly, slowly, then builds momentum until it becomes an unstoppable force.

The new development team took over a project that wasn't theirs, they had no familiarity with the coding, database or any other project elements. It takes time to get familiar with these things in order to build something you are confident in. Give them a few months to 'get the feel' of how the old team designed the game, find there resources and be able to confidently understand what they need to do. Very few changes, small changes, come in this time... they are basically exploring the game (from a coding standpoint) and what they can do to make changes.

Eventually they become 'experts' in the design of the game and can make changes with greater speed and efficiency. Back to the train, it's now cooking up a lot of power and starting to move at near full speed.

So it's very possible in the first 6 months they only got 5% of the current "FFXIV feel", the following 2 months they could have manage another 10%, the next 2 another 15%, and the following another 20% - which brings us to the one year marker. Where they claimed it was 50%. Now however they are moving at full speed, have more resources assigned to the project and can slam through changes easily. Getting another 40% is fairly reasonable if you think about it like this, and again as it has been repeated 4 dozen times in this thread... they said CLOSE to 100%. I would consider 85-90+% "Close" to 100%.

Just remember that this project was foreign to the new dev team and they had to figure out everything inside and out. They have said a few times that the coding is very sloppy and complex. Working on a coding project that isn't your own and trying to figure out what others did takes time. They took the time in the beginning to figure things out, which was slow to start, the changes came slow, the learning curve was massive. People shouldn't be surprised that a year later things are being pumped out quicker than before. They should be able to make more impacting changes in the same time that it took to do small tweaks beforehand.

And so is the life of a developer..... this is why I changed majors


I hope this helps to alleviate some of your worries.

[feint2021]

Hey Feint. Allow me to illustrate this through an analogy which may assist you in understanding this a bit more.

FFXIV at launch was similar to a train wreck (literally). Tanaka was the conductor and he derailed the train. It's a huge mess and after a little bit of time (2-3 months for ffxiv) the company that owns the train (SE) put it back on the tracks and found a new conductor Yoshi-p. The development of FFXIV is similar to a train which starts up slowly, slowly, then builds momentum until it becomes an unstoppable force.

The new development team took over a project that wasn't theirs, they had no familiarity with the coding, database or any other project elements. It takes time to get familiar with these things in order to build something you are confident in. Give them a few months to 'get the feel' of how the old team designed the game, find there resources and be able to confidently understand what they need to do. Very few changes, small changes, come in this time... they are basically exploring the game (from a coding standpoint) and what they can do to make changes.

Eventually they become 'experts' in the design of the game and can make changes with greater speed and efficiency. Back to the train, it's now cooking up a lot of power and starting to move at near full speed.

So it's very possible in the first 6 months they only got 5% of the current "FFXIV feel", the following 2 months they could have manage another 10%, the next 2 another 15%, and the following another 20% - which brings us to the one year marker. Where they claimed it was 50%. Now however they are moving at full speed, have more resources assigned to the project and can slam through changes easily. Getting another 40% is fairly reasonable if you think about it like this, and again as it has been repeated 4 dozen times in this thread... they said CLOSE to 100%. I would consider 85-90+% "Close" to 100%.

Just remember that this project was foreign to the new dev team and they had to figure out everything inside and out. They have said a few times that the coding is very sloppy and complex. Working on a coding project that isn't your own and trying to figure out what others did takes time. They took the time in the beginning to figure things out, which was slow to start, the changes came slow, the learning curve was massive. People shouldn't be surprised that a year later things are being pumped out quicker than before. They should be able to make more impacting changes in the same time that it took to do small tweaks beforehand.

And so is the life of a developer..... this is why I changed majors


I hope this helps to alleviate some of your worries.

That goes along what they have been saying. Well thought out reply, thanks I suppose I was surprised what that comment because of jobs not being here yet but then again it's not far away either.

[RemVye]

To elaborate on the '100% ffxiv' thing a little more and paying to play. Once 1.20 hits, you have to look at the game from the point of view "if this game was released today, and I just bought it, would it be worth paying for?". You have to take all of your biases out of the equation, you can't say "its been a year and they still dont have XYZ".

There is always going to be things an MMO can add. Just think of 1.20 as we are out of beta, then game has just been released, is it worth my time and money? If you started fresh at 1.20 and had to do everything over, with no biases, I'm sure there are things that you would say "they need to adjust this or fix that, tweak here or there" but mayn people are carrying over the bad feelings of the release still.

[Fear]

MrLion, in that interview Yoshi said the game was 50% complete BEFORE patch 1.19 was released, and with the huge size of it I'd say currently the game is 75% and 1.20 will make it 100% launch coniditon.

Either way i'm happy to support this new Dev team even if the game was only at 25% because they're showing us they care and actually listening to us (which is new for SE).

Also December stop trolling, all you do is post negitive comments if u dont like the game or the way its headed please do us a favour and stop posting.

[Exni]

Can we just direct all the future OMGWTFBBQSUBSCRIPTION threads to the OP's post?! Spot on, and SEEMS to be explained simple enough for even the trolliest of trolls to understand.

[Wynn]

Can we just direct all the future OMGWTFBBQSUBSCRIPTION threads to the OP's post?! Spot on, and SEEMS to be explained simple enough for even the trolliest of trolls to understand.

One would think so. But...... Knee jerk reactions and reason often do not mix well