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    It may be socially wrong, but it's not against the ToS where a GM would be involved, my man.
    People can and will do it. The topic creator here had contacted a GM about it, which is what sparked this conversation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    It may be socially wrong, but it's not against the ToS where a GM would be involved, my man.
    People can and will do it. The topic creator here had contacted a GM about it, which is what sparked this conversation.
    Right; forgive me - I may be missing the mark of the topic with my own bias. I dislike the people who try to call people 'whiners' for disliking early pulls, but the most common reason I see cited is that they 'didn't do any of the work so they have no right to complain.'

    I dunno. Perhaps it's the hypocrisy of those thoughts that get under my skin a little. I don't think I'll change anyone's opinion on the forums, but... Eh. Coming to a meeting of the minds with other individuals is also a beneficial thing to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eidolon View Post
    Right; forgive me - I may be missing the mark of the topic with my own bias. I dislike the people who try to call people 'whiners' for disliking early pulls, but the most common reason I see cited is that they 'd idn't do any of the work so they have no right to complain.'

    I dunno. Perhaps it's the hypocrisy of those thoughts that get under my skin a little. I don't think I'll change anyone's opinion on the forums, but... Eh. Coming to a meeting of the minds with other individuals is also a beneficial thing to me.
    Well that whole conversation gets into what is defined as an early pull. Does the person who never actively hunts and shows up late (as in at least five mins after every call) have any right to whine about missing the marks?

    I see that happen all the time. When I hunt, most of the time I am actively hunting, and tend to find and call out most of the hunts. I see people in my linkshells, who get the earliest possible notification showing up like 5-7 minutes after a call, complaining. Those same people never call out when they get there, and never actively hunt, they are 100% leeches. There is one guy, who when he joins a party, just accepts the tele, and stands by the aetheryte while others hunt, he still cries at being late...

    All these leeches think that the people actively hunting owe it to the to wait for some reason. Apparently the people out there, putting the work in are the selfish ones. Heck while grinding my relic, I was hunting non stop, as tank so I could get solo credit it I had no party, people were raging on me for pulling the hunts I found, three minutes after shouting. Even if I wasn't the one to pull, because I would have aggro as a full STR WAR...


    In my experience, these people are the most toxic part of hunts, not anyone who pulls early.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
    In my experience, these people are the most toxic part of hunts, not anyone who pulls early.
    Ah, do not misunderstand. I usually roll my eyes just as quick as the people who complain about early pullers. But as I said, I wish for people to understand both sides of the sentiment - that there are extremes that exist on both sides, and both sides are, to me - equally as bad.


    It may be a phenomena that is unique to Balmung, but there is an entire Linkshell devoted to pulling 'as soon as they get there' - they puropsely announce it in shout as they pull in an effort to antagonize people, and they do their best to make their presence known as much as possible. They're trolls, pure and simple.

    You have people like this, who do no hunting, who revel in the fact that they pull before people can get there on the back of the actual hunters.

    There are plenty of individuals from both end that epitomize that toxicity. I really wish we just had mutual respect from both sides.

    Edit1: I want to add something, and forgive me for doing it after the fact.

    I want to say I've been subjected to the 'this guy is an early puller' bull as well, so I am not unsympathetic with people on either side. I have been called an early puller, simply because I am a WAR using full-STR and I prime my Maim off the nearby wildlife before the pull (Thus securing me in a threat lead at the very start.)

    I find it disgusting when people use those macro's that run by <tt>, And I'll often call them out and point out that no, I didnt' pull the mob. Yes, I'm holding threat on it. Some of these people need to put the pitchforks away. But at the same token, some of the people who are in a hury to try and pull the mob for whatever reason need to learn a bit of patience.

    Pulling ASAP doesn't really serve anyone except the self/the people in the immediate area. That's fine in its own way, but it doesn't really help anyone. The people who want for a delay on the pulls, do want a better community - but it's clear they often don't understand that to build a strong community you have to start with yourself, as can be seen from the sheer amount of virtriol they spout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eidolon View Post
    Ah, do not misunderstand. I usually roll my eyes just as quick as the people who complain about early pullers. But as I said, I wish for people to understand both sides of the sentiment - that there are extremes that exist on both sides, and both sides are, to me - equally as bad.


    It may be a phenomena that is unique to Balmung, but there is an entire Linkshell devoted to pulling 'as soon as they get there' - they puropsely announce it in shout as they pull in an effort to antagonize people, and they do their best to make their presence known as much as possible. They're trolls, pure and simple.

    You have people like this, who do no hunting, who revel in the fact that they pull before people can get there on the back of the actual hunters.

    There are plenty of individuals from both end that epitomize that toxicity. I really wish we just had mutual respect from both sides.

    Edit1: I want to add something, and forgive me for doing it after the fact.

    I want to say I've been subjected to the 'this guy is an early puller' bull as well, so I am not unsympathetic with people on either side. I have been called an early puller, simply because I am a WAR using full-STR and I prime my Maim off the nearby wildlife before the pull (Thus securing me in a threat lead at the very start.)

    I find it disgusting when people use those macro's that run by <tt>, And I'll often call them out and point out that no, I didnt' pull the mob. Yes, I'm holding threat on it. Some of these people need to put the pitchforks away. But at the same token, some of the people who are in a hury to try and pull the mob for whatever reason need to learn a bit of patience.

    Pulling ASAP doesn't really serve anyone except the self/the people in the immediate area. That's fine in its own way, but it doesn't really help anyone. The people who want for a delay on the pulls, do want a better community - but it's clear they often don't understand that to build a strong community you have to start with yourself, as can be seen from the sheer amount of virtriol they spout.
    While I don't believe we have a LS for that on Jenova, back in ARR, there was a third rate raid FC that used to do it, since they couldn't make a name for themselves raiding. They went the way of the dodo though. Now we usually just have one or two sad people at a time who do it for attention. Even they are getting desperate though, people are stopping responding to them, so one of them recently tried to start trade spamming people as they tried to tele away from hunts they early pulled. That entered into actual griefing territory though, and I was able to report them.
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