ninja pulling hunts

[aesteval]

Do you really hunt? What you describe isn't reality on my server!
If you are active hunting you are on the disadvantage because before you reach the hunt its already dead. It happens very often that you can not reach it in time because you were on other side of the map. Active hunting means to search for it and it will not spawn in front of you!

Yeah, won't spawn on you while actively hunting. But AFK between mining unspoiled nodes? BAM, a-rank drops right down onto your head.

[Iagainsti]

Yeah, won't spawn on you while actively hunting. But AFK between mining unspoiled nodes? BAM, a-rank drops right down onto your head.

Without the DoL community, Hunts LS wouldn't be able to support themselves.

[SaitoHikari]

Topic starter hasn't returned yet. I wonder why.

I should mention that at least in Sarg, it appears that the vast majority of 'hunters' aren't even actively hunting at all, just showing up when someone else finds something. You can pretty much tell when you only see like a dozen people or less actively hunting at any given time, and as soon as someone finds something, you suddenly see like three dozen people teleporting to the location, like clockwork. To those people, I have no sympathy. I actively hunt A-ranks/spawn S-ranks along with other FC mates, and we've never had any problems with people killing other hunt mobs before we get there, because we're usually the ones that actually FIND them in the first place.

Hell, my FC (and we're probably the reason why this thread exists in the first place) is probably responsible for 50-75% of the S-rank spawns in our server in recent weeks. Thanks to certain shenanigans (mainly someone roleplaying and pretending the hunt mob was a pet a few weeks back, which isn't even early pulling until someone joins in for real), we're pretty much blamed for early pulling all the time now, even if we're not doing it at all. There was someone salty enough the other day that she kicked a member of my FC from one of her parties when the hunt mob hit 10% HP (though he still got full credit because he was the tank, if anything that resulted in her party losing full credit). Later that day, when my FC leader joined her party as their tank, instead of casting Medica II to heal the entire party at once, she'd throw Regen on the other 7 members just to avoid healing her. Nevermind that she was pulling that crap on a S-rank that I spawned myself.

Basically in short, the vast majority of Sarg 'hunters' are lazy, and some take it to ridiculous levels in their spite. Hell, the definition of 'early pulling' has basically been stretched in our server to mean 'not waiting more than 5 minutes'. Because lord knows if I find one, I will wait a reasonable amount of time before someone else just shows up and pulls it themselves.

[Mimilu]

I don't even bother with A or S rank hunts anymore.
It doesn't have to do with early pulls or it dying before I get there but more with the horrible amount of lag I get when I get to the mark because of all the people there, even with effects turned off for people not in my party. I can't even DPS or heal enough to get full credit and usually end up with the bare-minimum of rewards. =A=

[Canadane]

It may be socially wrong, but it's not against the ToS where a GM would be involved, my man.
People can and will do it. The topic creator here had contacted a GM about it, which is what sparked this conversation.

[Eidolon]

It may be socially wrong, but it's not against the ToS where a GM would be involved, my man.
People can and will do it. The topic creator here had contacted a GM about it, which is what sparked this conversation.

Right; forgive me - I may be missing the mark of the topic with my own bias. I dislike the people who try to call people 'whiners' for disliking early pulls, but the most common reason I see cited is that they 'didn't do any of the work so they have no right to complain.'

I dunno. Perhaps it's the hypocrisy of those thoughts that get under my skin a little. I don't think I'll change anyone's opinion on the forums, but... Eh. Coming to a meeting of the minds with other individuals is also a beneficial thing to me.

[Whiteroom]

Right; forgive me - I may be missing the mark of the topic with my own bias. I dislike the people who try to call people 'whiners' for disliking early pulls, but the most common reason I see cited is that they 'd idn't do any of the work so they have no right to complain.'

I dunno. Perhaps it's the hypocrisy of those thoughts that get under my skin a little. I don't think I'll change anyone's opinion on the forums, but... Eh. Coming to a meeting of the minds with other individuals is also a beneficial thing to me.

Well that whole conversation gets into what is defined as an early pull. Does the person who never actively hunts and shows up late (as in at least five mins after every call) have any right to whine about missing the marks?

I see that happen all the time. When I hunt, most of the time I am actively hunting, and tend to find and call out most of the hunts. I see people in my linkshells, who get the earliest possible notification showing up like 5-7 minutes after a call, complaining. Those same people never call out when they get there, and never actively hunt, they are 100% leeches. There is one guy, who when he joins a party, just accepts the tele, and stands by the aetheryte while others hunt, he still cries at being late...

All these leeches think that the people actively hunting owe it to the to wait for some reason. Apparently the people out there, putting the work in are the selfish ones. Heck while grinding my relic, I was hunting non stop, as tank so I could get solo credit it I had no party, people were raging on me for pulling the hunts I found, three minutes after shouting. Even if I wasn't the one to pull, because I would have aggro as a full STR WAR...


In my experience, these people are the most toxic part of hunts, not anyone who pulls early.

[Eidolon]

In my experience, these people are the most toxic part of hunts, not anyone who pulls early.

Ah, do not misunderstand. I usually roll my eyes just as quick as the people who complain about early pullers. But as I said, I wish for people to understand both sides of the sentiment - that there are extremes that exist on both sides, and both sides are, to me - equally as bad.


It may be a phenomena that is unique to Balmung, but there is an entire Linkshell devoted to pulling 'as soon as they get there' - they puropsely announce it in shout as they pull in an effort to antagonize people, and they do their best to make their presence known as much as possible. They're trolls, pure and simple.

You have people like this, who do no hunting, who revel in the fact that they pull before people can get there on the back of the actual hunters.

There are plenty of individuals from both end that epitomize that toxicity. I really wish we just had mutual respect from both sides.

Edit1: I want to add something, and forgive me for doing it after the fact.

I want to say I've been subjected to the 'this guy is an early puller' bull as well, so I am not unsympathetic with people on either side. I have been called an early puller, simply because I am a WAR using full-STR and I prime my Maim off the nearby wildlife before the pull (Thus securing me in a threat lead at the very start.)

I find it disgusting when people use those macro's that run by <tt>, And I'll often call them out and point out that no, I didnt' pull the mob. Yes, I'm holding threat on it. Some of these people need to put the pitchforks away. But at the same token, some of the people who are in a hury to try and pull the mob for whatever reason need to learn a bit of patience.

Pulling ASAP doesn't really serve anyone except the self/the people in the immediate area. That's fine in its own way, but it doesn't really help anyone. The people who want for a delay on the pulls, do want a better community - but it's clear they often don't understand that to build a strong community you have to start with yourself, as can be seen from the sheer amount of virtriol they spout.

[Whiteroom]

Ah, do not misunderstand. I usually roll my eyes just as quick as the people who complain about early pullers. But as I said, I wish for people to understand both sides of the sentiment - that there are extremes that exist on both sides, and both sides are, to me - equally as bad.


It may be a phenomena that is unique to Balmung, but there is an entire Linkshell devoted to pulling 'as soon as they get there' - they puropsely announce it in shout as they pull in an effort to antagonize people, and they do their best to make their presence known as much as possible. They're trolls, pure and simple.

You have people like this, who do no hunting, who revel in the fact that they pull before people can get there on the back of the actual hunters.

There are plenty of individuals from both end that epitomize that toxicity. I really wish we just had mutual respect from both sides.

Edit1: I want to add something, and forgive me for doing it after the fact.

I want to say I've been subjected to the 'this guy is an early puller' bull as well, so I am not unsympathetic with people on either side. I have been called an early puller, simply because I am a WAR using full-STR and I prime my Maim off the nearby wildlife before the pull (Thus securing me in a threat lead at the very start.)

I find it disgusting when people use those macro's that run by <tt>, And I'll often call them out and point out that no, I didnt' pull the mob. Yes, I'm holding threat on it. Some of these people need to put the pitchforks away. But at the same token, some of the people who are in a hury to try and pull the mob for whatever reason need to learn a bit of patience.

Pulling ASAP doesn't really serve anyone except the self/the people in the immediate area. That's fine in its own way, but it doesn't really help anyone. The people who want for a delay on the pulls, do want a better community - but it's clear they often don't understand that to build a strong community you have to start with yourself, as can be seen from the sheer amount of virtriol they spout.

While I don't believe we have a LS for that on Jenova, back in ARR, there was a third rate raid FC that used to do it, since they couldn't make a name for themselves raiding. They went the way of the dodo though. Now we usually just have one or two sad people at a time who do it for attention. Even they are getting desperate though, people are stopping responding to them, so one of them recently tried to start trade spamming people as they tried to tele away from hunts they early pulled. That entered into actual griefing territory though, and I was able to report them.

[Takophiliac]

People need to get real. I've got plenty of jobs leveled. I don't even announce hunts. I let people in my linkshell (there's one on Balmung who pulls when they get there) and perhaps a few people in Teamspeak or FC chat know. Then I switch to whichever role is lacking between a healer and a tank, and pull as soon as there's a healer and a tank(+basic ability cooldown if I had to switch). If there's a healer and a tank already there, then i play as a DPS.

The reality is that 4 players at level 50 (and there are many at level 60, of course) can take down an S rank with minimal problems if they know how the monster behaves.

Please to ban me from all your linkshells and whatever stuck up entitled groups you're running that whine about hunts going down before the whole server logs in to get a hit in from everyone with an account.

Square, since everyone wants it to be fair, let's be fair to the mob. When it sees an avalanche of players coming, have it run away.