Tanks using their enmity combo while being OT

[Lyth]

I think that they were referring to MP issues while tight for enmity. Which is reasonable; the more PS combos you're forced into, the less MP you have at your disposal because you lose SS. Turning off Grit is only an option if you have a reasonable lead. This becomes less of an issue with better gear, however.

[Lyth]

Things have probably changed quite a bit since I was a WAR main pre-Heavensward, but I remember more than a few instances where failing to put up SP in time during early progression guaranteed that your lowest HP dps died to Megaflare. I understand that it's a 7 potency loss/GCD to SE/SP instead of a 3 potency loss/GCD for SE/SE when you're catching up on aggro, but when you have one of the most powerful raid wide damage mitigation abilities in the game, sometimes you just take the dps loss.

Hell, if you don't want SP, I'll take it back off you, thank you very much.

[SpookyGhost]

Another advantage of SE -> SE is that you can easily convert it to SE -> SP. IE:

SE -> SE -> SP -> SE

instead of:

SE -> BB -> SE -> SP

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

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As I have said many, many, many times before, early progression is the only situation where storm's path is actually useful, relegating it to less than 1% of available content at any time. Any other time, it's a band aid solution to cover up for a bad df main tank. It's about as useful as Machinist's Dismantle or Rend Mind, except even less useful cause the machinist doesn't sacrifice DPS to use it.

ETA: If I have to throw up Storm's Path at any time other than Early progression, and there's no raid buster that needs the 10% mitigation coming within those 20 seconds, it is most definitely NOT intended as a compliment either to the main tank, or to the healers that are in charge of healing that tank. I'm just covering up for either a sloppy tank, or a sloppy healer.

[Lyth]

Ehh, SP's strength isn't in mitigating tankbusters. Damage reduction isn't additive, and you probably aren't going to save a tank who missed a cooldown with it. It's more about mitigating raid-wide damage.

Also, anticipating for and compensating for mistakes is what tanks and healers do. As a tank or healer, if you hold off on an intervention that could have prevented a death in order to push more personal dps, then you have as much to learn about your role as they do about theirs. We are support classes first. We facilitate raid dps.

[Nirurin]

ETA: If I have to throw up SP at any time...and there's no raid buster that needs the 10% mitigation coming within those 20 seconds, it is most definitely NOT intended as a compliment either to the main tank, or to the healers that are in charge of healing that tank. I'm just covering up for either a sloppy tank, or a sloppy healer.

I've been reading through this thread... and it seems you're missing the point. Nobody is saying that storms path is required for survival. The point is, if you are OT, and using BB is causing the MT to have to use RoH to keep hate (instead of Royal Authority), then while BB is better for your own personal DPS, it is actually a net loss for the group.

Butchers block + Rage of Halone = LESS OVERALL DPS than Royal Authority + Storms path

I believe you could also use.. is it storms eye? Instead of path. It's still better for the group than BB all the time. There is no BB in team.

[lawlHT]

If the mt can't hold hate over the ot war using butchers block, then perhaps the war shouldn't be the ot in that situation, no?

[Tsilyi]

It's about as useful as Machinist's Dismantle or Rend Mind, except even less useful cause the machinist doesn't sacrifice DPS to use it.

all other things aside... mitigation-wise, let's not pretend that 10% damage down for 20 seconds is roughly equal to 10 seconds of A CHOICE BETWEEN 5% physical or magical damage reduction for 10 seconds. that's just silly. there have been times when you've said ok things. this is not one of them.

[Ragology]

I'm no number cruncher so maybe 10% extra mitigation isn't worth a lot, but if Dark Nights Shadow skin didn't have a trait to bring it in line with Gladiators Rampart, I definitely be crying for a buff for DRK.

(I got my numbers from the wiki, don't know if they're up to date or not)

[shao32]

im pretty sure paladins are glad to change rage of halone effect with storm path effect.

storm path helps a lot in raid mitigation in turns like as1 and as3 with all those raids aoes help to healers to keep the party up to the cost of 10 of potency? is a good deal for me.