Tanks using their enmity combo while being OT

[KinSlayer009]

Don't post anything ever again.

[WolfKid]

Don't post anything ever again.

I dont get it...

[Marz_kid_EST]

Don't post anything ever again.

Also what are you 5 years old? What's the point of posting if you're just going to bash someone. Maybe they didn't know BB was highest potency combo. Grow up. Don't post anything ever again.

[LuceliaUltima]

Vengeance return hits can crit yeah. Noticed it when I saw a crit on my main attack, a crit on my AA, and a 3rd ... weird 501 crit???? Wait what's that? ohh vengeance is up, cool those return attacks can crit.

Regarding the topic, wished to mention an exemple. Been struggling with Thordan Trap Pf's past week, I had a Pld i210 all str, mt, pulled the boss, died, boss came to me, trying to recover, for some reason I lost aggro to the Whm into Defiance and using BB as first intention. "Tanks hold aggro, do your job" ... let's not argue.

Later, after the Whm ate 2 times the same AoE and died we made it to adds, for the approximatly 1000th time, I use provoke/tomahawk on the add, and ... wtf, the add goes to the whm, and the whm get ... rekt. "Tank you scrub can't keep hate on a mob" ... let's not argue #2.

Then what happened here, Pld was standing in SwO after his first RoH combo pull on ShO, his aggro was so low at phase change, when I paid attention, the Whm was like 2 on the enmity list but his bar was totally full, and mine a bit lower.

Who blame, Pld trying to max his dps but maybe a bit too greedy, Whm probly not using SoS, or War losing an add with the copied aggro table from phase1. I don't know, I asked the Pld to let me Mt, and hopefully no more aggro issues.

[Iagainsti]

Who blame, Pld trying to max his dps but maybe a bit too greedy, Whm probly not using SoS, or War losing an add with the copied aggro table from phase1. I don't know, I asked the Pld to let me Mt, and hopefully no more aggro issues.

Sounds like the Whm was spamming Medica II, or as I affectionately refer to it, "Cool it on the Cure VI plz".

[Syzygian]

Sounds like the Whm was spamming Medica II, or as I affectionately refer to it, "Cool it on the Cure VI plz".

No no no don't you get it? The entire point of this thread is if the MT loses hate its 100% their fault all the time no questions asked and under no circumstances should a gud player that is not the MT ever consider their enmity generation. That's a train that stops for nobody! ><

[vigioX-Sun]

I play war myself an all I do is watch my enmity vs MT an from there I can decide wich combo to use,now I stay close to steal hate to let them know they can't slow down on me.
An OT war vs Pld should always watch his enmity, unless is a very good PLD that know what he is doing.

[Fyce]

Then the hell're you bitching about? It's been stated, if they're taking hate, there's a guaranteed chance they should be MT instead of whoever is MTing.

You don't understand what is being said here. It's not about "hurr durr if u lose hate ur bad! git gud scrub" it's about maximising the number of DPS combos the MT can do while not being threaten by Butcher's Block enmity.
If the MT has to trade a DPS combo for an enmity one because of the OT's BB, then the loss from the will be greater than the gain.

In an ideal situation, the OT shouldn't be higher -or barely- in enmity than the first DPS (or heal) of the aggro list. This would allow the MT to minimize the duration of his tank stance while maximizing the number of DPS combos he can do.

Also, centered text is obnoxious to read.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Could you stop this? I see a lot of tanks doing this, mostly WARs. You have no need to be doing that while you're off tanking. The only exception are PLD since they are reducing physical damage a boss does, but they shouldn't be spamming it. Tanks wonder why they're ripping hate off a MT, that's cause you're doing it on purpose.

A bad war puts up Storm's Path, it lowers dps by a significant margin. A good war OT uses Butcher's block to keep up high DPS.

Storm's Path is always an objective DPS loss.

Be a good tank.

Don't use Path.