Proposal to scrap the +1 +2 +3 feature from gear

[Reika]

After all, there are people that need to increase their Epeen by showing off their +1 Silver Tricorn....

Edit: to all posting their theory of HQ Relativity... there is a thread for that already, post this stuff there.

[MariyaShidou]

Lol. that is just how things go in the English Forums.... There is always someone who wants to change the topic in a thread instead of making their own thread.... As to the topic, I would rather +1/2/3 equipment be removed as well. I Do not see it happening however.

And yet who's the one that spend lengthy posts flaming me and changing the whole topic? If you read it, it all started with this

Yeah. I can give an example as to how broken the HQ system is right now. I wanted to make me a Chocobotail Saw. So when I finally reached the rank to craft one, I made an HQ+2 one with a quality of 20-29.....I can't remember exactly, but wow it's so messed up that I did....

And Xenor's response

It's impossible to make a +2 with less than 100 quality. I've done many thousands of synths skilling up with qualities under 100 and not one has ever HQed more than +1.

The OP also goes into lying mode in another thread which has no relevance to him in order to call me a moron and post made-up stuff, which I did shut him up by posting some piece of evidence.

Deal with it, this is a forum for discussion, not to look for agreement. The OP used fundamentally challenged issue, people will challenge him. The HQ system will likely to stay, tweak is needed but it will stay. In fact many people suggest they should expand the HQ tier into something like EQ 2 which has even more tier than just NQ, +1/+2/+3 because it creates more variety of equipments.

[Reika]

And yet who's the one that spend lengthy posts flaming me and changing the whole topic? If you read it, it all started with this.

That happened to be post 1 of 3 I made here, which by the way did not change the OP's topic.

[MariyaShidou]

I didn't mean you, what I meant is that the OP originally changed his own topic and when he couldn't discuss anything without resulting to calling names or such he blamed me for changing his own topic.

[Solipse]

You can not get HQ 2 if your quality is under 100.

If you're going to post some random stupidity to act as a dictator in order to feel good, the Internet isn't for you. Do me a favour, understand what you post beforehand.

Not taking sides, but at least the HQ2 level is dead wrong.

I made a vintage kite shield for a shellmate last week with all NQ mats. Final quality was a bit below 90, I want to say 84? It was NQ at first. After 3 touchups, however, it went straight from NQ to +2 (Neph Highwind is currently selling that very shield on Figaro). Since it went straight from NQ->+2, obviously, at 84ish quality, you can +2 an item.

[MariyaShidou]

I can be wrong about the value threshold and like I said in another post previously, have you noticed majority of people who claimed this also said they had around 70-80 quality? What if that could be the threshold? Also, screenshot to back this up should be sufficient. Words, as pretty as they are, are nothing. This is an Internet forum, if 10 people tell you the world ends tomorrow would you take that as evidence?

[Solipse]

I can be wrong about the value threshold and like I said in another post previously, have you noticed majority of people who claimed this also said they had around 70-80 quality? What if that could be the threshold? Also, screenshot to back this up should be sufficient. Words, as pretty as they are, are nothing. This is an Internet forum, if 10 people tell you the world ends tomorrow would you take that as evidence?

Why would I take a screenshot of a synth and what would I have to gain from lying about it? :P

Our shell has a fair number of R50 crafters, and when I mentioned getting a kite +2 at that quality, only one other had said he got a straight +2 jump off anything below 100, and I think he said 92-94, maybe? I havent heard of anyone else doing it sub 90, which could mean it's just very rare and requires high skill and high stats (I had 160ish vit at the time).

[Reika]

Why would I take a screenshot of a synth and what would I have to gain from lying about it? :P

Our shell has a fair number of R50 crafters, and when I mentioned getting a kite +2 at that quality, only one other had said he got a straight +2 jump off anything below 100, and I think he said 92-94, maybe? I havent heard of anyone else doing it sub 90, which could mean it's just very rare and requires high skill and high stats (I had 160ish vit at the time).

Stats is one of the factors. The right stats for the tool, The right Crafting Gear/stats (i seen people wear all kinds of wrong stuff), and the right Facility. Your chances go up. Not enough people have a grasp of those facts yet. I have +1'd many materials of my Armorer by just using standard synth the whole way through, Because i wear the right stuff and have 172 vit when when i craft. Would not be too hard to +2 some armor if I wanted to.

[Peregrine]

Stat feeds into quality (poorly). They do not influence the direct chance of HQ in any other way than to increase quality.

[Peregrine]

Oh and you can +2 a final product with less than a hundred quality.
End of discussion. It's not a debate any more, it's a fact.