Proposal to scrap the +1 +2 +3 feature from gear

[Kimahri]

Hehehe! So you pull up an article from Lodestone? Here. Let me point something out to you from what you copied down. "Though results vary from recipe to recipe, a higher Quality value means that a synthesis attempt is more likely to produce either a high-quality item,* or a high-quantity yield."

Now pay close attention here.....He uses the key words.....More Likely! It doesn't state that I still couldn't of achieved an HQ with a very low Quality. This system is based on luck right now, plain and simple. I'm not going to tell you to shut up from now on, because your points of defense are iffy at best. Again, I don't need proof when I have claims of others to back up my testimony. Here, I'll give you an example.

Let's just say I was charged of commiting, umm.........Something up there........Let's say murder. Now I would need a sworn testimony of my where-abouts. Telling the police I was at home with a couple buddies is not proof enough that I'm telling the truth. However, if my buddies tell the exact same thing to the police, that's a PROVEN TESTIMONY!

Now again I'm not going to tell you to shut up. I love the fact that you're trying to defend your statements. However! When those statements are tried and defended with foggy dialogue pulled from a website, then it's not really a proven concept over mine(And others) experience of the matter. Just because you haven't produced a HQ+2 item without quality over 100, doesn't mean others haven't as well.

I just called up my brother, who's a 36 Blacksmith, out in California. He also confirms that he made a Birdsbeak Hammer+2 without 100 Quality. Again, this was back when the game first started so I don't know if they patched it. (Which is why I asked you to clear it up if you knew they patched it.) And also he was making the Birdsbeak Hammer to sell so he didn't just do it once, but a lot of synths to finally get that +2 randomly. You still going to ask me for proof after I just listed yet another person whom had this same occurance? Maybe I'll ask him to take a picture! Hahaha!

[origamikitsune]

Regarding Proof: First off, there is nothing wrong with asking for proof. In fact, I think it is a great idea, especially in lieu of the fact the system does seem to be broken. Certainly with regards to Hasty Hands, I would like SE to see screen shots as well.

Secondly, Give me a week or two (when the game comes back up) and I will gladly take screen shots. I spent my last hours in FF before the shutdown fishing, so I will be able to get screen shots relatively quickly. At that point, you will be able to see that yes, you can HQ 1/2/3 below the 100/200/300 threshold.

Finally, it was my understanding that the 100/200/300 threshold was SUPPOSED to be the way it worked. At the very least, that seems like common sense to me. Hopefully with images provided SE can see that there is a problem. I will also endeavor to record the results of my synthing in a spreadsheet, so we can get some idea of the likelihood of synthing HQs below the threshold. I make no promises about this though - if I'm too tired or feeling lazy, I'll just stick to screen shots.

[Kimahri]

Hey I wish I could post up screenshots, but I didn't. If I make another one, I'll gladly post it up. All I'm saying is that at the time it wasn't relevant and didn't require me to screenshot it......Like I'm supposed to know we'd be talking about this? Haha!

I do, however, have many confirmed reports of the same instance with other people. That is proof either way you look at it. This thread is not a genital measuring contest with the yard stick......Just some idea's that will hopefully be looked at regarding synthesis....Hell, at least I'm not asking for bats**t crazy implementation like the 17,000 people who viewed the possibility of jumping......

[Reika]

Sorry but unless you post proof, I would call bull on this. Also, fishes do come in +1/+2/+3 and with HQ mat you get instant +100/+200/+300 quality. I've had +2 Nugget using Hasty Hand, but of course with all +2/+3 ores which gave me instant 200+ quality without doing anything.

I have done this too. People fail to realize that your rank and your crafting stats factor in to HQ's.

[origamikitsune]

I have done this too. People fail to realize that your rank and your crafting stats factor in to HQ's.

Ineed. This is why I would like to (if I can bring myself to do it) provide some raw data for other people to crunch. Part of the problem though is that we -don't- know what all affects crafting. I personally work under the assumption that it is a combination of moon phase, physical/mental stats, elemental stats, in-game month, and Guardian aspect. Couple this with rank in relation to rank of synth, quality, and visible/hidden equipment stats. This is not based on had data, this is just what it seems like is reasonable based on the structure of the game and SE's past actions in 11.

Even so, If I do manage to get a some data, I will provide all the information I have so people can draw their own conclusions. One thing I do know (from my own experience) is that there is little deviation between standard/bold/rapid/hasty hand in the synth I used to test this with. I have posted this info in other threads (it was not a controlled test, however, so take it with a grain of salt.)

As I have said before, it doesn't seem to me to be an inherent flaw with system, so much as it is a flaw in the system. That is, the system needs to be tweaked, not rebuilt from the ground up.

I believe that -more- information should be provided, but not all of it. I personally would like to see something from SE along the lines of "Stats, elements, moons, months, and guardian affect things" without them giving us the actual algorithms. Just like in real-life I want to get a basic idea relatively easy, but I want the secrets to be, well, secrets we ferret out. I would even be happy to have this information learned in-game through crafting/gathering related quests.

For example, I go to a miqo who informs me, "Whoa is me, I need a moon flower so I can make this bouquet of flowers! But I need a particularly exceptional one, or I will loose my customer! I bet if you went out during the new moon, you have much better luck finding the perfect specimen!"

So yeah. There you go.

[Rentahamster]

I personally work under the assumption that it is a combination of moon phase, physical/mental stats, elemental stats, in-game month, and Guardian aspect.

If I remember correctly, in one of the as the devs posts, they specifically said that your guardian and your birthday don't affect anything at the moment.

[origamikitsune]

Really? Awesome. Any chance of a link so I can read (I'll remember it better if I read it!). I'll dig around, too.

[MariyaShidou]

Hehehe! So you pull up an article from Lodestone? Here. Let me point something out to you from what you copied down. "Though results vary from recipe to recipe, a higher Quality value means that a synthesis attempt is more likely to produce either a high-quality item,* or a high-quantity yield."

Now pay close attention here.....He uses the key words.....More Likely! It doesn't state that I still couldn't of achieved an HQ with a very low Quality. This system is based on luck right now, plain and simple. I'm not going to tell you to shut up from now on, because your points of defense are iffy at best. Again, I don't need proof when I have claims of others to back up my testimony. Here, I'll give you an example.

Let's just say I was charged of commiting, umm.........Something up there........Let's say murder. Now I would need a sworn testimony of my where-abouts. Telling the police I was at home with a couple buddies is not proof enough that I'm telling the truth. However, if my buddies tell the exact same thing to the police, that's a PROVEN TESTIMONY!

Now again I'm not going to tell you to shut up. I love the fact that you're trying to defend your statements. However! When those statements are tried and defended with foggy dialogue pulled from a website, then it's not really a proven concept over mine(And others) experience of the matter. Just because you haven't produced a HQ+2 item without quality over 100, doesn't mean others haven't as well.

I just called up my brother, who's a 36 Blacksmith, out in California. He also confirms that he made a Birdsbeak Hammer+2 without 100 Quality. Again, this was back when the game first started so I don't know if they patched it. (Which is why I asked you to clear it up if you knew they patched it.) And also he was making the Birdsbeak Hammer to sell so he didn't just do it once, but a lot of synths to finally get that +2 randomly. You still going to ask me for proof after I just listed yet another person whom had this same occurance? Maybe I'll ask him to take a picture! Hahaha!

First of all, the lodestone quote is direct to your claim that quality does not have any effect on HQ.

I don't see any resemblence to the HQ rate and Quality. (Do you know?)

Secondly, your testimony means squat if there's a camera captured you at the crime scene. That's how it is especially with Internet Forum, where people can claim whatever they want and words are not proof. A lodestone post or a dev words however may be more reasonable to believe in. Sorry to say but your confirmed report is as good as no report, because all I can see are words and words. I can also claim that many people report no HQ2 under 100 quality. Heck, if you look at Peregrine post he is torn between my claim and yours, even though he said that one guy in his LS reported something to back your claim, because tens of thousands others do not encounter such things.

[feint2021]

I like how this post strayed from the original idea.

[Wooba]

Testimony isn't law. If evidence comes along that proves the Testimony of your 6 friends wrong, then obviously your friends are wrong. However if you had a picture of you hanging out with your friends at the time of the Murder, then it would be a fully supported Testimony.

In this case, you and your friends are saying it is possible to get HQ+2 with 100 or less Quality, while Mariya is saying it is impossible and submitted some evidence they thought supported their claim. Unfortunately, the poor wording and overall vagueness of the article crumbles as any proof.

However neither side has provided solid proof, and have only provided Testimony. You can't run a trial on Testimony alone. Therefore, both sides are still valid theories.