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  1. #31
    Player MagiusNecros's Avatar
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    Bastilaa Shan
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    Excalibur
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Cabalabob View Post
    I think this is intentional design, since PLD embodies light and is a physical heavy tank they wanted DRK, as the embodiment of darkness, to be like the flip side of the coin and be a magical heavy tank. When they first discussed DRK they were actually originally going to make great swords a 2 handed gladiators arm and have it branch off of gladiator, so if you think DRK and PLD are similar now... Imagine that!
    They should have saved Dark Knight for later and simply have had Paladin and Templar if that was the case. I will agree the 50-60 Job Quest arc was disappointing. I just don't like how half of the skills of a Drk are magic mitigating defensive skills in the same vein as a Paladin. Most of their animations make me feel like I'm some kind of Robot putting up shields.
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  2. #32
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    Marxam's Avatar
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    Blackiron Tarkus
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    Leviathan
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    Marauder Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Cabalabob View Post
    I think this is intentional design, since PLD embodies light and is a physical heavy tank they wanted DRK, as the embodiment of darkness, to be like the flip side of the coin and be a magical heavy tank. When they first discussed DRK they were actually originally going to make great swords a 2 handed gladiators arm and have it branch off of gladiator, so if you think DRK and PLD are similar now... Imagine that!
    Paladin is known as ナイト (Naito - Knight) in the Japanese version or ナ (Na) for short, if I'm not mistaken. In general, Japanese version takes the first character of each job as the abbreviation. So in that regard it kind of makes sense to call it a Dark Knight since it is a darker or blacker version of the knight.

    Personally I like the division between DRK and PLD as it gives me a choice in tanking. Obviously WAR isn't going anywhere so the other tank now has the option of going into a fight with a choice which I'm all for.
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    Last edited by Marxam; 02-09-2016 at 06:51 AM.

  3. #33
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    deastr's Avatar
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    Centurion Deastr
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe_Schmoe View Post
    But if it's anything like death knights in WoW I'll probably like everything about them except the aesthetics (too much emo-goth for my taste), which kills it for me.
    You don't necessarily have to be edgy



    /offtopic
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  4. #34
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    MrsFluffyButt's Avatar
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    Al'tani I'rieseith
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    Omega
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    Paladin Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by deastr View Post
    You don't necessarily have to be edgy



    /offtopic
    Kill it with darkness!
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  5. #35
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    Instrumentality's Avatar
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    Eureka Evergarden
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    Excalibur
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    Paladin Lv 70
    I generally main tank for my raid so I'll play either PLD or DRK based on the content. That said, I enjoy DRK at 60 quite a bit, which is why I did the relic for it.
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    My life while tanking is an existential hell from which there is no escape.

  6. #36
    Player JackFross's Avatar
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    Eve Malqir
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    Balmung
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    Dragoon Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    Guess my problem is this version of Dark Knight is different from the other versions of the Dark Knight in the series.
    I think the issue is that a tank who sacrifices health would be strictly worse than either other tank just on base concept. You'd require more heals in the duration of the fight just on principle, unless they improved DRK self-heals. It's just a super pointless balancing act that's made way easier and more enjoyable by having it manage MP instead. I definitely see your point, though, and I don't exactly disagree. I just think a class sacrificing its health for extra damage on a regular basis isn't conducive to the game as it's conceived.

    I have no comment to make on the 50-60 questline, because it was just bad, though.



    On-topic, DRK isn't going anywhere. If PLD is suddenly made on-par with DRK and WAR is slapped across the jaw and dropped down a peg, it'll turn into a 3 choose 2 situation, where currently it's "if you're not running DRK/WAR, you're sub-optimal." I'm hoping 3.2 either spreads the slashing debuff love or outright removes the slashing/piercing/blunt debuffs from being a thing that exists in the game. Until they do that, WAR is the indispensable tank, which is bad. If PLD or DRK had a slashing debuff option, too, you wouldn't have [DRK or PLD] and [WAR]. So it wouldn't be a question of "WILL DRK BE GONE!?" since all 3 would be viable to use in any combination of two.
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    Last edited by JackFross; 02-10-2016 at 03:21 AM.

  7. #37
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    AlexiIvaniskavich's Avatar
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    Hrothgar Grulag
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    Zalera
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Instrumentality View Post
    I generally main tank for my raid so I'll play either PLD or DRK based on the content. That said, I enjoy DRK at 60 quite a bit, which is why I did the relic for it.
    Considering you can mitigate all the present content just fine with either class, this should be the reason why you roll a specific class. ,
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