Compromise: Just Charge $5 For Now. Once 2.0 is Out, Then Charge $12

**Kallera** · 10-19-2011 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Zanfire

ok so its 60%? the whole point is that Yoshi himself considers 2.0 to be the version that is worthy of competing with other MMOs. We get our trial periods then, PS3 users get it then, which is just more evidence that 2.0 should be when they charge us, even at all. I think its perfectly fair to ask for a reduced price until then.

No where on the site does it mention reduced prices. There is information on what you pay per month. You knew this going in, AND the next months feature exclusive events and content that will not be available after 2.0 occurs.

And you STILL won't be arsed to pay for it? This isn't about fairness, this is about business. SE said the game would be free until they had a roadmap for development to fix the game's faults. They have one now. Support the game's roadmap to 2.0 or not.

**Zanfire** · 10-19-2011 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by Kallera

No where on the site does it mention reduced prices. There is information on what you pay per month. You knew this going in, AND the next months feature exclusive events and content that will not be available after 2.0 occurs.

And you STILL won't be arsed to pay for it? This isn't about fairness, this is about business. SE said the game would be free until they had a roadmap for development to fix the game's faults. They have one now. Support the game's roadmap to 2.0 or not.

Ok so business. Keep way more people around paying half price and likely they will stick to the game until full price hits or get a fraction of that to pay full price and possibly lose those who want to wait to other MMOs or just forgetting about it?

Its clear they can keep around a much larger amount of people around if they charge less, so in all likely-hood the the chances of them making the same, if not more from the reduced price AND having more people stick around for when it goes full price seems like the better option....from a business prospective.

**Fanzeron** · 10-19-2011 11:13 PM

Paying only half the price sound reasonably enough. Not only this will encourage a lot more people to stay and play, but it could even mean a lot more of newer subscriptions.

**Kallera** · 10-19-2011 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by Zanfire

Ok so business. Keep way more people around paying half price and likely they will stick to the game until full price hits or get a fraction of that to pay full price and possibly lose those who want to wait to other MMOs or just forgetting about it?

Its clear they can keep around a much larger amount of people around if they charge less, so in all likely-hood the the chances of them making the same, if not more from the reduced price AND having more people stick around for when it goes full price seems like the better option....from a business prospective.

Do you have any evidence of this rentention other than riggable "like" polls and fan forums that are chock full of people who haven't even bought the game?

Also, how many are simply trying for a deal? Do you honestly think any price raise will be met other than with threats to quit and claims to get "even more people" if they kept the price low?

**AmyRae** · 10-19-2011 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by Zanfire

Ok so business. Keep way more people around paying half price and likely they will stick to the game until full price hits or get a fraction of that to pay full price and possibly lose those who want to wait to other MMOs or just forgetting about it?

Its clear they can keep around a much larger amount of people around if they charge less, so in all likely-hood the the chances of them making the same, if not more from the reduced price AND having more people stick around for when it goes full price seems like the better option....from a business prospective.

Indeed. The bottom line is, they need to pick the right price point, one that maximizes the right level of revenue.

In a hypothetical situation like the one BlueGartr implies:
A) 30% of players would pay full price (typically $12.99/month)
B) 70% of players would pay half price (typically $6.50/month)

you actually make more money in situation B even though you are charging less.

**ChiefCurrahee** · 10-19-2011 11:25 PM

It's been scientifically proven that 83% of all internet statistics are entirely made up.

**AmyRae** · 10-19-2011 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee

It's been scientifically proven that 83% of all internet statistics are entirely made up.

I'm not saying those are real numbers, I'm just giving an example of how a lower price could still bring in more money. If charging half the price brings in more than twice the players as charging full price, it's going to bring in more money (and keep a larger player base for that matter).

Whether that's how it works in real life is for SE to figure out.

**Zanfire** · 10-19-2011 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by Kallera

Do you have any evidence of this rentention other than riggable "like" polls and fan forums that are chock full of people who haven't even bought the game?

Also, how many are simply trying for a deal? Do you honestly think any price raise will be met other than with threats to quit and claims to get "even more people" if they kept the price low?

well you need to give those poles some credit too. i am one of those people who arent completely willing to pay full price until 2.0 and im sure as hell not alone, plenty of people who do play on this site feel the same. Of course it may be a small % or for all we know those polls may be right it and might be a large %. The deal here is will SE risk it? the safer route is the lower price, its revenue they need and more people (no matter how many more do it) and less chance of losing them as future customers.

**Pandastirfry** · 10-19-2011 11:37 PM

I just want to post a observation I made the other day.

These threads have been following a curious progression, they map almost perfectly to the five stages of grief

First there were threads disbelieving that pay to play was going to happen.
Next came the slew of threads with much wailing and gnashing of teeth over the price
It looks now like everyone has had a good cry, now we have moved on to bargaining with begging a cold and unfeeling god for half price, with several of the people who said they would NEVER pay actually saying they'd be willing to pay a cut price, curious, it makes it seem like the only thing we really care about is the act of paying not so much the actual "doneness" of the game.

I'm looking forward to when we all get to acceptance and we can just move on, with people willing to pay, paying. And those unwilling, not.

Starting billing is an all or nothing kind of thing. They have gone with free for the past year and now when they say there will be a price we have pushed back, we got comfortable with the fact that it was free. If they go with a half price until 2.0 all that will happen is a slew of threads, most likely started by the same people making these ones, wailing and gnashing their teeth over the "price increase" that they asked for. There will be the same arguments that the game is not ready or that they don't feel it is worth it. We'll just go through this same rigamarole a second time. Also, to the statemnt that going with half price would be "good PR", this is true in the short term with those of us who are actually playing the game, reveiwers won't even notice. In the Long term though it will be "Bad PR". Once 2.0 goes live and if there was a "price increase", trust me, that is what all the reviews will latch on to as well as the inevitabe wailing that will happen on the forums. SE and FFXIV will gain a reputation of pissing off it's community and seeing them as nothing more than dollar signs to be harvested. Half price may draw in new players in the short term, but like most here now, they will also balk at the purposed "price hike" and we'll have yet another round of people threatening to quit because it is "unfair". Basically in the short term SE may lose current players, but may gain future customers after 2.0, going with half price and a price increase at 2.0 they will most likely only retain current players and lose future players due to "unfair billing increases"

as some one else said...It is better to rip off the bandage, rather than to prolong the agony by pulling it off slowly.

**Kallera** · 10-19-2011 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by Zanfire

well you need to give those poles some credit too. i am one of those people who arent completely willing to pay full price until 2.0 and im sure as hell not alone, plenty of people who do play on this site feel the same. Of course it may be a small % or for all we know those polls may be right it and might be a large %. The deal here is will SE risk it? the safer route is the lower price, its revenue they need and more people (no matter how many more do it) and less chance of losing them as future customers.

There is no reason to give a rigged poll credit. THEY ARE RIGGED. They do not indicate the target Audience that is affected by the change or they offer a data that has been skewed with multiple/false entries.

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