i cant stand duck duck goose tanks

[karionsiand]

I think that these tanks want to avoid lose aggro against mnk or nin by ruining their dps... One time as mnk:

Me: hey you, stop spinning around the mobs, why do you do that?
Tank: If you do less dps you won't steal me the aggro
Me: Oo

Wait wait... there's more about this guy, because he go with his friend as healer.

Healer: He's right, you have to do dps when you can and try to don't steal aggro of tank... you are a bad dps.

First boss: steal aggro -> died
Second boss: steal aggro -> tried to survive with earth fists, second wind, feather foot, foresight.... stop hitting the boss.

After second boss got kicked.

Well... rejoin dusk vigil by duty finder... dps queue nice!!!! go in and they found the same tank and same healer again.

[Shuvool]

Ok, really new here, and I've not played DPS, or healer for that matter, just this PLD. However, it seems that in most dungeons with multi mob trash pulls (so all of them?) I've got two choices. Get the DPS mad at me because I turn the mobs when they start lighting the floor under my feet from 3 or 4 different directions, or stand in the aforementioned telegraphed AOE warnings and eat the damage, which I admit I have no idea how severe would be, but I would guess if it were severe, the healer would get angry that I'm taking too much damage. I err on the side of caution and assume that those bright yellow patterns that light up do so to warn me that it's going to hurt, so I move out of them. Maybe I'll experiment a bit this weekend and find out how hard those really hit for

[Maero]

I agree Op, or those tanks that you think we will dps down all adds and then all of a sudden they decide to run off further out... Most annoying thing ever as both mellee or a caster, yaargh

[PirateCat]

Ok, really new here, and I've not played DPS, or healer for that matter, just this PLD. However, it seems that in most dungeons with multi mob trash pulls (so all of them?) I've got two choices. Get the DPS mad at me because I turn the mobs when they start lighting the floor under my feet from 3 or 4 different directions, or stand in the aforementioned telegraphed AOE warnings and eat the damage, which I admit I have no idea how severe would be, but I would guess if it were severe, the healer would get angry that I'm taking too much damage. I err on the side of caution and assume that those bright yellow patterns that light up do so to warn me that it's going to hurt, so I move out of them. Maybe I'll experiment a bit this weekend and find out how hard those really hit for

No one's asking you to not dodge AOEs. It is, however, generally a good practice to minimize movement to the extent that you reasonably can and try to return to your original position as quickly as it is safe to do so, so that things are positioned consistently. The OP was complaining about tanks who run around and turn mobs for no good reason.

[Aaliyahrose]

Whenever I'm in DF as PLD doing large pulls, I won't bother to dodge AOEs because PLD Shield Bash Shield Swipe OP :O.
Usually if you know the enemy names by heart on your hate list, you can target and time stuns on those certain enemies no problem.

[Janhyua]

But the only time I was force to reposition during seph extreme was the summoner pet Garuda was about to get arced on after the one punch Attack :s

And for the 2 jump Attack because I don't want to get jumped on by accident

[lvlagmarink]

You see this a lot in the Ravana story fight where he does that massive cleave spam and you'll always have the tank spinning him around so that everyone gets hit. As a healer, you're telling me not to bother healing since everyone will die from your merry-go-round antics.

Funny thing as OT is, when I'm trying to distract the prey cleave attack to the east side (since main tank always stand around north).. Some players always almost scatter around to the east side just to get hit even though there wasn't anyone there before even with me putting ignore #1 sign on my character and told the party to avoid me..

[Chadness]

I feel compelled to comment here since this is a major pet peeve for me with probably 90% of the tanks I come across, and I don’t even play a melee DPS job. My issue is generally two-fold. 1) Moving the mobs for no reason after I’ve dropped my ground AOE (Flaming Arrow) and 2) moving the mobs for no reason out of my range when I hit cool downs so that I have to physically move closer before I can let off Empyreal Arrow or whatever else I’m using at the time.

I’m not talking about dodging AOEs, and I understand that can be a possible no-win situation for tanks with melee DPS in the mix. That’s understandable. Generally, though, a mob doesn’t move 20 yalms away and out of my range or out of my AOE simply from dodging AOEs.

Here is the situation the vast majority of the time: Tank pulls and gathers the group. Tank AOEs to hold hate (great!). Tank sits in one spot for about five seconds. Me, I cast my AOE and spool up for a buffed attack. Tank then proceeds to pull the group of mobs off into the corner of the area (usually near where the next path will open to continue on, for example, in the two new dungeons). Me = ??? I’ve seen them do this to Machinists with their turrets and summoners with their ground AOE – so it isn’t just me.

The alternate scenario to that is tanks who insist on grabbing a large group of mobs, stopping each time to gather some mobs without saying a word, then 5-10 second slater (after AOEs are placed and what not) caroling down the corridor to the next group. If you must pull large groups to satisfy your urge to feel like you’re progressing through a dungeon faster (which, in most cases, you are not), then at least don’t stop and give everyone the appearance you are stopping.

I have mad respect for tanks who take the other players into consideration in situations like these, and I tend to give them more consideration. Many people just auto-commend the tank at the end of a run. Well, if I’m being honest, the tank rarely gets my commendation because 90% of the tanks are spastic annoyances. However, when that good one comes around who communicates and respects other players by actually doing their job, I don’t hesitate to drop that commendation at the end of a run and generally I’ll praise them in chat, as well.

[Mykll]

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I didn't know this was a big issue until I started it seeing it more and more as I healed. Then as I tanked more and more it was just an automatic thing to do. If a single enemy is standing closer to the group with more further away, I'll range pull the first and keep running until I am past the last bunch and stop (range mobs will vary this slightly). I've seen DPS itchy trigger fingers on their AOEs where they will lay it down before the first enemy. Before I am even up to and even with the closer mob. So I have long learned to group the mobs into the AOE.

If there are multiple people that can lay down an AOE than the BRD Flame Arrow takes precedent. Long recast. Then NIN Doton, has a recast but not as long as BRD. Then the SMN / SCH Shadow Flare and MCH Bishop last as they can be reset the quickest. So, for example, the BRD and SMN lay down their AOE in different spots, I will drag into Flame Arrow. I've even dragged them where AOEs overlap if I can so they are getting hit by both, if they were not thrown down on top of each other. I have yet to come across a quick trigger finger on healer healing AOEs.

Now on bosses, if I notice the entire run they have a quick fire on their AOEs, I will put a marker saying I am parking there first. If they drop elsewhere, then they lose out.

But this just became the norm for so long, that I just don't even think about it. Like Garuda Ex and Spiny is on me, and people dropping AOEs under my feet and I'm on Garuda, I'll move off, just don't even think about it just do it. And I didn't realize how bad this is, until DPS and healers starting commenting about how I dragged things BACK to the AOEs. And floored that nobody else would do that. And then it hit me that yeah, this is sometimes an issue. Where sometimes I even warn a group that I don't pull like your normal tank.

Flip side, much love to everyone that waits for me to stop and then starts blasting away with their AOEs and damage. Nowhere near the best tank out there, but after healing them for so long in so many games, and finally tanking in this game for really the first time, I hope I do enough of the little things that makes lives a little easier.

[Galborion]

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I am pretty sure no one will complain if you move out of AoE. And also, if mobs are in the middle of their cast, they are not moving/turning. So you can safely move out of AoE and quickly move back once they finish their cast without ruining anyone's dps.