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  1. #31
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    MXMoondoggie's Avatar
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    Pikarin Makai
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    Twintania
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Oh I wish people would stop doing it but I really doubt they will. Just use a LB as soon as you can. I want to scream when we are sitting on a LB2 or LB3 for ages and nobody uses it until about 2% because they want to be like Naruto and do a cool finishing move. Half the time the bar fills at like 40% and nobody ever uses the damn thing.
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  2. #32
    Player MagiusNecros's Avatar
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    Bastilaa Shan
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    Excalibur
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    Would be so much easier if everyone had their own LB meters. Getting tired of this sharing is caring nonsense.
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  3. #33
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    Callback Spanner
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    Ultros
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    Ninja Lv 60
    Generally you don't even get 1 bar before the first boss dies, and if you use your bar on the 2nd you won't fill it before reaching the final meaning you only get to LB1 it.

    This means the optimal time to LB is between the 1st and 2nd boss, generally ranged DPS on a mass-pull. (or for SMA melee LB on the wall)

    The only exception is on a well-orgainzed party (speedrun strats), you can force-charge LB if the healer allows the tank to drop below 10% on the first trash pull after each boss before healing. Each time they do this, it adds a gradual charge effect to the bar that doesn't stop until it fills. I know people complain about healing during Living Dead, but it's a perfect opportunity to grab this effect if the healer is good about it.

    And yes, immediately once LB2 charges on final (or at least the first break in rotation you get), or DOESN'T charge because you're that fast and LB1 can finish, pop it.
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  4. #34
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    Knahli's Avatar
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    K'nahli Yohko
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 89
    Quote Originally Posted by Callback View Post
    Generally you don't even get 1 bar before the first boss dies, and if you use your bar on the 2nd you won't fill it before reaching the final meaning you only get to LB1 it.

    This means the optimal time to LB is between the 1st and 2nd boss, generally ranged DPS on a mass-pull. (or for SMA melee LB on the wall)

    The only exception is on a well-orgainzed party (speedrun strats), you can force-charge LB if the healer allows the tank to drop below 10% on the first trash pull after each boss before healing. Each time they do this, it adds a gradual charge effect to the bar that doesn't stop until it fills. I know people complain about healing during Living Dead, but it's a perfect opportunity to grab this effect if the healer is good about it.

    And yes, immediately once LB2 charges on final (or at least the first break in rotation you get), or DOESN'T charge because you're that fast and LB1 can finish, pop it.
    I came to the same conclusion through experience, though on the odd time we get to LB the first boss it usually means DPS is low enough to fit in two LB's and then having a full bar again for the final boss. I always use mine as a Bard or Melee if applicable, though there have been a couple of runs where the Boss's HP plummeted suddenly from around 25-30% to 6-8% and then I realise it's too late, namely Neverreap, haha.
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  5. #35
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    Ekhi Ysengrim
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    Brynhildr
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 90
    I remember when I first started, someone yelled at me for using an LB and not killing them because it makes the boss go into a rage mode. And I believed them for the longest time. Now I use it right after Trick Attack on the second boss. It's been mentioned before, you probably won't have a bar for the first boss. If you wait til the second boss is almost dead, it won't be there for the final boss. So I go ham. I have yet to see a castor use it on trash mobs though. I should get on BLM to do it and get yelled at now.
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  6. #36
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    Callback Spanner
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    Ultros
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    Ninja Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Heliantheae View Post
    I remember when I first started, someone yelled at me for using an LB and not killing them because it makes the boss go into a rage mode. And I believed them for the longest time. Now I use it right after Trick Attack on the second boss. It's been mentioned before, you probably won't have a bar for the first boss. If you wait til the second boss is almost dead, it won't be there for the final boss. So I go ham. I have yet to see a castor use it on trash mobs though. I should get on BLM to do it and get yelled at now.
    I hear LB does fixed damage, so TA doesn't affect it meaning you're wasting the debuff. I haven't seen any testing on it yet for hard data, tho.
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  7. #37
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    ChameleonMS's Avatar
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    Jordan O'niell
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Callback View Post
    I hear LB does fixed damage, so TA doesn't affect it meaning you're wasting the debuff. I haven't seen any testing on it yet for hard data, tho.
    You are correct, the damage is calculation of the average iLevel of the group. It ignore all de-buffs and buffs. Since it is constant, the weakest DPS of a particular type (melee, range, caster) should always be the one to activate the correct one for the situation.
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  8. #38
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    Miles Saintborough
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    If I'm rolling as a healer and no one is using the LB, then I'll pop it myself.
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  9. #39
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    Brown Sugar
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    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 62
    I tend to use LB to get through a priority target mechanic, like Titan's heart phase or when the Scorpion boss in one of the earlier dungeons sheds the skin off its tail.

    As for final bossess, I save it for the second half of the fight where we have more mechanics to deal with. I figure at the start that everyone has cooldowns to blow thorough and no mechanics to interrupt their rotations so the damage is good enough.

    If I ever use LB near the end of a fight its because I was waiting on LB 2. As soon as I decide LB to isn't happening though, I blow my load immediately.
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  10. #40
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    Character
    Aishwarya Vaishnavi
    World
    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 70
    I like when my DPS uses the mage LB on trash mobs. We don't always need to save it for a boss we know we can just push over when we know the mechanics to it. Use it when you get it.
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