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    Quote Originally Posted by SaitoHikari View Post
    As far as I'm aware, we still haven't really heard anything of her status, nor has she directly intervened in our affairs since.
    I'm not going to comment on the rest of it, but as to the quoted sentence, I agree. Just hearing her voice again doesn't tell us anything. I doubt she's suddenly in a much better condition than when we left her, just because we beat up a few primals and didn't rely on her for a month or two.

    The scene where you finally hear he again felt really bittersweet to me, in the "yay, we succeeded, mom's back from the hospital! But oh no, mom still has stage 4 cancer and she's come home to die" type way.
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    I feel like I'm really mean but...I burst out laughing at the idea of Minfilia being taken over or drained by Hydaelyn because that technically means that she's been kidnapped again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    I feel like I'm really mean but...I burst out laughing at the idea of Minfilia being taken over or drained by Hydaelyn because that technically means that she's been kidnapped again.
    Again, this would only count if Minfilia herself didn't volunteer for this. My suspicion is that whatever it is, she did it willingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    I feel like I'm really mean but...I burst out laughing at the idea of Minfilia being taken over or drained by Hydaelyn because that technically means that she's been kidnapped again.
    Hey now, Nabriales can totally kidnap me and I wouldn't be complaining.
    I'm a horrible person and I'm not even sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belhi View Post
    Again, this would only count if Minfilia herself didn't volunteer for this. My suspicion is that whatever it is, she did it willingly.
    Didn't she say 'NO!' in response to whatever Hydaelyn said to her back at the end of 2.0? Or am I misremembering? Either way she doesn't look particularly happy in the artwork...

    Quote Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer View Post
    Hey now, Nabriales can totally kidnap me.
    I'm a horrible person and I'm not even sorry.
    Don't worry - I wouldn't mind being kidnapped by the new Emperor of Garlemald. So I, for one, won't judge. Heh.

    I wonder if his resemblance to Geralt of Rivia is intentional? Probably not, but...I like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    Didn't she say 'NO!' in response to whatever Hydaelyn said to her back at the end of 2.0? Or am I misremembering? Either way she doesn't look particularly happy in the artwork
    during the end cut scene to 2.55 Hydaelyn says something to Minfillia to which she responses NO! but Minfillia still goes back into the tunnel

    but Hydaelyn might have said something like "leave your companions"

    I think the relationship between Minfillia and Hydaelyn will be like Iceheart and Shiva which seem symbiotic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belhi View Post
    [Minfilia] is taking one for the team.
    Put in a less romantic context, if Minfilia isn't even in there anymore it's tantamount to suicide. We will never get her back. Even if Minfilia is a nigh-helpless piece of exposition spouting eye candy, she's one of ours, dammit! Hydaelyn can't give us free will and then ask us to relinquish it for the "greater good" when she feels it's necessary, turning one of our closest friends into her personal meat puppet! (Again, this is why I hate dealing with deities.)

    I doubt it's that drastic. Minfilia is probably still in there, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth - the whole "relinquishing your free will because I asked you to" and the fact Minfilia may be conscious but unable to express herself. Put that way, it's arguably worse.

    ... when you take away the romantic notions of self-sacrifice... it really gets less than glorious.

    As for Hydaelyn using Minfilia as a meat puppet vessel to keep herself alive? Well, I'm not sure anything we do is going to change what happens. It seems to me that Hydaelyn is trying to fight entropy itself, something that cannot be overcome by the laws of reality. That's no reason to give up, mind, but that still doesn't change the futility of it.

    Apropos of nothing, Sephirot confirmed to not be MSQ material? Sort of? In today's preview.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    Apropos of nothing, Sephirot confirmed to not be MSQ material? Sort of? In today's preview.
    If anything it's confirmed that totally-not-Elidibus is upgraded from side-story to MSQ, since SE mentioned they wanted to have multiple storylines running in tandem for 3.X.

    We're discussing it in the Live Letter thread.

    But yeah, I'm really excited about the 3.2 answers about what exactly happened to Minfilia and what Hydaelyn did when she summoned her. I'm more interested in that than actually seeing Minfilia again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ageofwar View Post
    I think the relationship between Minfillia and Hydaelyn will be like Iceheart and Shiva which seem symbiotic
    Am hoping for a more "There is no Dana, only Zuul" kinda arrangement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    Didn't she say 'NO!' in response to whatever Hydaelyn said to her back at the end of 2.0? Or am I misremembering? Either way she doesn't look particularly happy in the artwork...
    Yeah. She then stopped and thought for a bit before running off. It could very easily be that Hydaelyn told her that something bad was about to happen ie. a cry for help and Minfilia ran off to deal with it however she could. If she thought Hydaelyn was up to no good why do you think she would tell us nothing? If it was a case that something was wrong that she could deal with it makes perfect sense that she wouldn't tell us to avoid distracting us. Our role in the greater affairs of Eorzea is much more important than hers as she said. We are the rallying point and the beacon. Our role is too important to risk being sidelined.
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