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    Quote Originally Posted by Belhi View Post
    I can kind of see the Scions moving into a kind of official opposing order representing Hydaelyn in the way the Ascians do for Zodiark, minus the immortality. Im not convinced Minfilia is a prisoner of Hydaelyn. I suspect it will turn out that she has volunteered to fill whatever role the Mothercrystal needed her for.
    Basically Lightning and Etro.
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    A clash between the Light side and the Dark Side. Zodiark is coming.
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    This showed up on my tumblr dashboard. Now I need to dig around and find full scans, because I can actually read all that unimportant text that got cut off...
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    あっきれた。

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    Quote Originally Posted by DE-Roxas View Post
    Still wishing Minfilia turns evil...i would really like to take her down, she bugged me since the beginning
    Be careful what you wish for. If Minfilia turns evil, she'll turn into Catiua version 2, a super duper special snowflake being used by the true big bad that you're eventually supposed to empathize with after countless horrible decisions on her part.

    I would much rather her stay "good" and be restricted to a role at Hydaelyn's side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DE-Roxas View Post
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    But that's the thing. With characters like the WoDs from FFIII or Catiua from TO, you're not supposed to hate them. You're supposed to pity them for all their decisions and eventually forgive them. The WoDs were fine in my book, Catiua, however, is one of the worst characters I've ever encountered in any narrative.

    I'm all for the Zodiark/Hydaelyn relationship to be less black and white, and I'm definitely on the side of "it would be a lot more interesting if Hydaelyn isn't the bestest best greatest of all great goods," but I don't think turning Minfilia evil would really be as satisfying as you think. The narrative would likely paint it more as a tragedy and she would get even more attention than she already does. So in essence, you'd end up even more annoyed.

    Regarding Altima in XII.
    Keep in mind the whole "Scions of Light" and "Scions of Darkness" titles. Altima was considered evil because she challenged the Gods - and lost. Recall, who were you challenging at the end of FFXII? A God, but a God who wished to free humanity from the other Gods, so he was not entirely unlike Altima, in goal of rebelling against the Gods at least.

    Now, when you place it with FFT, she was probably definitely in opposition to humanity, but, uh, her being light and evil doesn't really have anything to do with Minfilia. It has more to do with Elidibus, since he intentionally invokes light in his appearance. Elidibus and Venat have way too many similarities for it to be coincidental, and I'd certainly argue that Venat was definitely not in the wrong.
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    Last edited by CyrilLucifer; 02-04-2016 at 02:35 PM.

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    FFXII, Tactics and Vagrant Story are my favourite RPG's ever. As a result I strongly approve of inspiration being taken from any of those three games. Especially in regards to delicious intrigue and themes of 'Darkness' not necessarily being pure evil and 'Light' not necessarily being pure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    FFXII, Tactics and Vagrant Story are my favourite RPG's ever. As a result I strongly approve of inspiration being taken from any of those three games. Especially in regards to delicious intrigue and themes of 'Darkness' not necessarily being pure evil and 'Light' not necessarily being pure.
    You should probably play Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together. FFT is basically the spiritual successor to TO:LuCT. Or, if you want me to be less nice and more realistic about it, Squaresoft bought out Quest after they saw the success of LuCT and had them basically remake and slightly modify the formula and then slap a FF title and FF jobs on it, rather than the original jobs.

    And it worked, at least in the west. TO remains more popular in Japan.

    The PS1 version has an iffy translation, though, so play the PSP version. It has the same focus on politics, but with added moral dilemmas (eg: you can choose to aid in committing genocide for the benefit of your people and it splits the story path).
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