Minfillia Speculation

[Nalien]

He simply knew we could undo an Ascian with "mortal contrivances", as he put it. We blasted Igeyorhm with the Eye, then he forged a sword from the other Eye and did the same thing to Lahabrea.

Technically he did something entirely different; We trapped Igeyorhm and blasted her, utterly undoing her. He blasted Lahabrea, then absorbed him in his weakened state. He was already aware Primal fed off aether, as I imagine most are at this point, he simply drew the conclusion that it didn't matter what form that aether took, which... Well, it was a conclusion I'd been shouting at my screen since 2.2... That the Scions still haven't realized this (despite us watching Thordan do it...) places them firmly on the Bravely Default level of main character "intelligence"... At least Y'mhitra pretty much realized it, shame she hasn't shared that with her sister... You'd think at this point we'd be going "Hey, Ysayle was pretty bad ass... If we could do that we could summon a Primal to OHKO Ascians or make the Garleans piss their pants and run, then dismiss it to safely return aether to Hydaelyn with no lengthy battle...", but no... Still haven't coined that, have we... Please let Minfilia slap some sense into the Scions now...

[CyrilLucifer]

I always wondered, does that 100% mean Lahabrea died or did his aether got free again after Thordans death?

Short answer, after months of debating on the subject: No one knows.

He's totally coming back though.

[CyrilLucifer]

lol thats so true xD Classic FF plot twist

We just have to have faith, right? If we believe hard enough, we can summon grumpy primal Lahabrea back!

I want to believe. I'll believe as hard as Greg did for Enkidu.

[Nalien]

I always wondered, does that 100% mean Lahabrea died or did his aether got free again after Thordans death?

It specifically got shown being absorbed by the Eye in the Ascalon... My theory is that, following Nidhoggs "revival", Lahabrea is an angry eye floater who, as he did with Ysayle and Thordan, will teach Nidhogg how to summon a Primal unto himself. Nidhogg + Bahamut = Shinryu = Omega reactivates. Epicness follows.

[AstralKaos]

Fascinating stuff being discussed.

Don't really have anything to add as I'm scratching my head on several ideas at the same time.

What if Min-moo is (was, at some point) a piece of Hydaelyn, in some way, and she's returning to the "Mother" after something said to her triggered this dormant purpose in the "NO!" scene?

Nidhogg + Bahamut = Shinryu = Omega reactivates. Epicness follows.

Someone tells Nidhogg some fibbage about an "ancient ancestor" and how to bring him to the battle, only, what he does is awaken an interdimensional rift (that was closed by Omega once upon a 3AE?) that Shinryu emerges from?

Would be a nice way to dust off that Allagan dragon puncher and have it tear out of the place it's buried at.

[Morningstar1337]

Nidhogg + Bahamut = Shinryu = Omega reactivates. Epicness follows.

I've some ideas from such a union, a reborn "Chaos" Bahamut that uses his, Nidhogg's and Midgarsomnr's attacks. But that seems a lot like Raid material. I also imagined Omega as Ultima but with Shiva's, Ramuh's and Leviathan's attacks on top of the original trios (maybe Mog, Ravana and Bismarck as well) but that seems a little difficult to work in as well (unless Feast replaces Frontlines)

On-topic. Minfillia being connected to Hydealin seems likely. As is Hydealin being anywhere from Well-Intentioned-Extremists to SMT's usual interpretation of the Abrahamic God (I find the former much more likely than the latter, but anything is possible) but I wonder more about the contextual "when", and if whatever point where we learn the alleged "truth" is close to the Antitower trek

On a related note. We assume that Our Mothercrystel is higher the Primals and Eikons, but do we know if that alone disqualifies her (and Zodiark) from being in those groups? Perhaps the term "Mothercrystal" is more literal then we thought.

[Delily]

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On a related note. We assume that Our Mothercrystel is higher the Primals and Eikons, but do we know if that alone disqualifies her (and Zodiark) from being in those groups? Perhaps the term "Mothercrystal" is more literal then we thought.

Well, she is the one who grants a summon request..

[Nalien]

So, I just realized... Is Minfilia the new Rydia?

We have Antitower, with Calcabrina seemingly being a boss... Throw Derplander in as Golbez... Have him pop by at the end of the dungeon and "defeat" us (maybe he even got his own version of Midgardsormr in Shadow Dragon now!), only for Minfilia to pop back in to save us, summoning Mist Dragon.

She's even inexplicably aged a fair deal since we last saw her, based on her hair growth... Hell, if we go back to 1.0, she went from a kid (with a fairly tragic back story) to adult in our twisted Echo perception of time... If every Scion is coming back more awesome and with clearer defined Jobs, my money is on Minfilia being a true Summoner.

inb4 Ascilia and Warburton were from a secret village that knew the true way to summon Primals, and they left when the Garlean Empire stomped on it. Ascilia completely unaware of this and Warburton dying before he could pass anything on... Que today, where she meets up with Hydaelyn and learns TheTruth™. We are meant to be learning about her past... She's Rydia, Aerith and Garnet all rolled into one... Make up for being useless Minfilia, give us Primal summoning!

This is what happens when you promise me Primal summoning in... 2014? And then don't deliver on it ever...