Endgame DRG Armor

[Ashkendor]

saying that you love it is simply a justification to your probably mental condition of impulsive consumism.

I think you mean consumerism. I don't think you're qualified to diagnose someone's mental condition, in any case.

Sadly all the bad signs are showing, sooner or later we will see materia packs, and top tier tomestone gear on the cash shop just because some people "loves to support".

I haven't seen a single "bad sign" that the cash shop is moving beyond cosmetic items.

Do you have an example? Just one would do. I'll wait.

Stop it. You are bad. Microtransactions are bad. Cash Shops are bad.

Indulging in ad hominem attacks doesn't make you right. It just makes you a jerk.

[TouchandFeel]

So on the topic of the OP, you should be able to put together a glamour pretty close to that with stuff in the game.
Upgraded ESO DRG helm (so you can dye it to match) and maybe the Wild Rose set or Odin set. Not exact but it may suffice.

[TheUltimateSeph]

So on the topic of the OP, you should be able to put together a glamour pretty close to that with stuff in the game.
Upgraded ESO DRG helm (so you can dye it to match) and maybe the Wild Rose set or Odin set. Not exact but it may suffice.

I'll try that for now. The one thing I hate about the eso helm though is how you can't take off the bottom part that covers the mouth without also moving the part at the top so it doesn't cover the eyes anymore.

[Nominous]

Tell me about it, but this forum isn't even close to being the worst in that regard. Take 5 minutes to read the Black Desert forums, people are literally defending potentional pay to win practices and costumes with beneficial stats. Defending the fact that the $100 pack doesn't give you all exclusive costumes (you get to pick one, even though they're identical). Why? To sell you other costumes for that 10% EXP bonus. People treat companies like they're besties when in reality they have one goal in mind, and that's to get to your wallet. Yoshida may have the best intentions in the world for his fans, but the investors don't. Why needlessly defend these practices? Yeah, I used to do it but I've changed for the better I'd like to think.

It doesn't make you any better or worse to have an opinion on either side of this. There's just a popular opinion and an unpopular one. You're just saying that you'd like to think that now you're on the side of the popular opinion- that of the vocal minority.

And for what it's worth, really... neither side is fully justified. Folks who hate these practices would like to think it's the 'right' side of history. What I perceive it as, is a person who doesn't understand that everything costs money and time. And for others, I just think they have a chip on their shoulder and wouldn't be pleased with anything a company does. I find that a lot of these people tend to think companies are inherently evil and want nothing but to hurt you, and aren't willing to hear any reason.

People on the other side tend to be a bit less caustic, which is refreshing, however they can be a bit overzealous. Some of these folks will literally throw away a life savings to buy any and everything they offer because, frankly, it doesn't break their bank.

Neither side is right or wrong, but I think it pays off to be more understanding in the end. I totally get why you wouldn't want to buy these things, but why be angry with a person who does? They aren't solely (or collectively) to blame for SE getting out of control, if it happens.

[ErikMynhier]

I love going through threads like this and do a lodestone search of every person who complains or calls the cash shop a "cancer" and the like. I love seeing how many of these nay sayers have mogstation minions and mounts.

I call it "hypocrit hunting" its fun.

[Nominous]

I love going through threads like this and do a lodestone search of every person who complains or calls the cash shop a "cancer" and the like. I love seeing how many of these nay sayers have mogstation minions and mounts.

I call it "hypocrit hunting" its fun.

Crazy, right? I've got like, nothing from the Cash Shop, but here I am trying to tell people it isn't all that bad. Then I get called a white knight because I'm reasonable .

[AlphaFox]

Just because I have items from the Mogshop doesn't mean I like the idea of it all being put in. I'd much rather everything be in the game and able to be got even if its a massive grind such as Fenrir or X amount of times doing something. However when I see everyone throw in and say "I want ___, I'll pay!" That just means they can stop putting in the extra work and just keep tossing it in the station. Hell, won't shock me if they get the wild hair to throw relic items inside and say "Sure, you can grind....or you can pay us to get your relic now!" Just remember, its not Pay 2 win if you can get it yourself.

[Jynx]

Crazy, right? because I'm reasonable .

Calling stuff you get in a subscription game a "Freebie" is far from a reasonable stance on the topic.

Your defence of anti consumer practices may be questionable but it's not "White knighting" some of it's ground in logic shaky as it may be. Much like the more reasonable arguments against it tend to get people called greedy or people who just hate on everything the "Evil company" does.

Your just as bad as the people your claiming to be attacked by.

[Colorful]

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You're definitely right that no side is entirely correct, but I've seen many games with a lot of innovation fail due to greed, namely ArcheAge. Hurts to say that name at this point, they pulled a complete bait and switch from the Alpha, ran away with everyone's money and now Trion's reputation has dropped like a rock. Once known as a publisher that makes fair games that has seen moderate success, now known as a money grubbing company set to to make a quick buck whenever possible. How can anyone defend that? There's no longer a real community to play with in ArcheAge, world first raiders are leaving in droves at this point and yet people claim that Trion is doing nothing wrong. This isn't a one case kind of deal, it's done by the majority of publishers that aren't closely tied to the game, even China's FFXIV is a little sketchy.

FFXIV is relatively light on the monetization, the majority of items are items that took little effort to implement (which is a good thing, as it doesn't detract from development time) and if subscription numbers drop in a content lull I can see why they would release something like Minfilia's set to make up for that loss in profits. I just can't take the side of people claiming that implementing completely new sets into the cash shop, those should be earned from events, the Gold Saucer, or be veteran rewards. Nor can I take the defense of people defending pay to win, you can argue that no side is right or wrong, but when a game loses 90% of its population there's a clear answer as to whether that decision was good or bad for the game. I feel as if I'm deviating a little from FFXIV's cash shop, but w/e. I don't think we'll go pay to win, but I do not want to see completely original cosmetics in the cash shop. I might as well pack my bags and take leave to a buy to play MMO at that point, no?

[RyuRoots]

For one, you're making theassumption that I think everyone's going around explicitly trying to 'collect' free stuff from subscriptions and memberships. I'm just saying- there is a such thing as an extraneous offering. Something that is by every meaning of the word, 'optional'. People seem to not understand what this means when it comes to gaming. It's like people understand this concept when applied to literally anything else, like it doesn't apply to gaming (I assure you, business is business, it does).

What? You clearly don't understand what you're reading since I implied nothing of the sort. I'm saying that many people play specifically for glamours and such. What I take issue with is describing what you pay for every month as "free", because it really isn't. We're not playing a free-to-play game, we're playing a game where you fork over cash every month. This line of logic might work for some single-player games where you buy it once and then the devs churn out extra stuff that you can buy if you're interested in. That's not what's happening here. It's chunks and pieces that easily could and should be in the game that are being chopped up and sold piecemeal.

Funny thing is that I actually don't have anything against people that use it, since I have. Not because I like it, but I just gave up. Certain things I want and I know nothing is gonna change the system we have, so screw it. I've gotten a fair number of gifts from friends from the shop too so eh. Do what you want with your own money, but don't try to pretend that this is somehow a good or reasonable state of affairs when you don't seem to be aware that "optional content" as you put it, was at one time something you got WITH your purchase, not in addition to it.