Endgame DRG Armor

[ErikMynhier]

I love going through threads like this and do a lodestone search of every person who complains or calls the cash shop a "cancer" and the like. I love seeing how many of these nay sayers have mogstation minions and mounts.

I call it "hypocrit hunting" its fun.

[Nominous]

I love going through threads like this and do a lodestone search of every person who complains or calls the cash shop a "cancer" and the like. I love seeing how many of these nay sayers have mogstation minions and mounts.

I call it "hypocrit hunting" its fun.

Crazy, right? I've got like, nothing from the Cash Shop, but here I am trying to tell people it isn't all that bad. Then I get called a white knight because I'm reasonable .

[Jynx]

Crazy, right? because I'm reasonable .

Calling stuff you get in a subscription game a "Freebie" is far from a reasonable stance on the topic.

Your defence of anti consumer practices may be questionable but it's not "White knighting" some of it's ground in logic shaky as it may be. Much like the more reasonable arguments against it tend to get people called greedy or people who just hate on everything the "Evil company" does.

Your just as bad as the people your claiming to be attacked by.

[Nominous]

Calling stuff you get in a subscription game a "Freebie" is far from a reasonable stance on the topic.

Your defence of anti consumer practices may be questionable but it's not "White knighting" some of it's ground in logic shaky as it may be. Much like the more reasonable arguments against it tend to get people called greedy or people who just hate on everything the "Evil company" does.

Your just as bad as the people your claiming to be attacked by.

I never claimed to be better, just insinuated that it's a shame that you can't have my opinion on this without being accused and burned at the stake. It'd be nice if people were a little more reasonable than that, but whatever.

And as for 'freebies'. I think it's mostly semantics, but I'll give a shot at explaining this.


I don't consider patches and content to be 'freebies' by any stretch of the imagination. It's something that any MMO needs, and it's fueled by whatever payment model they go with (F2P or B2P or P2P/Sub). Bug fixes, balance changes, and other updates to the system are also things that I do believe our money could, should, and probably does go towards.

That being said, veteran rewards, and event minions/mounts/outfits/furnishings are by no means necessary (veteran rewards is more like a loyalty reward for subsequent months, I'd get why you wouldn't consider that free). Our 15 dollars a month goes towards a lot, but it seriously doesn't go towards everything they do. You have to be reasonable about what you think they do or don't deserve to get paid for, that's what it comes down to. You're fine to think that they don't deserve to get paid for things that go over their budget, that put them in the negative, or otherwise compromised positions. I'd like to think that since they're pretty transparent, and they have shown that they care about the game a great deal, I shouldn't be worried about the Cash Shop getting out of hand. And again, event items are pretty much the antithesis of Cash Shop additions.

Also, I know how bad Cash Shop can truly get, and it's cute that people think this game is awful for charging like, 10 bucks for a full outfit. Try playing a Korean game that forces you to literally spend 10's of thousands of dollars in RNG based items to even end-game. Or 30 bucks for full outfits. Nothing even comes close, so.

[Jynx]

I think it's mostly semantics, but I'll give a shot at explaining this.

It's far from semantics you are using the term incorrectly as it's not "Free" in any stretch of the word.

I think it's mostly semantics, but I'll give a shot at explaining this.

It's far from semantics you are using the term incorrectly as it's not "Free" in any stretch of the word.

As for your entire papragraph about how our 15 bucks a month is not enough to pay them to create additional content it's unknown to both you and me what their operating costs are. I however have the evidence that the game is raking in massive profits (Prior to cash shop nonsense)to back up my point.

You on the other hand have nothing, circumstantial or otherwise to show me that the developers are hard pressed to keep the game in development on my measly 15 dollars a month. I wont bother to make assumptions but it's more than reasonable to assume the only financial issues the developers have are internal and not external. It's not my problem if Yoshida has failed to deliver on the value of long term player retention over a revolving door model (That cash shops perpetuate). Know this.

For all the "love" the developers show for the game every time they make players pay an additional fee is showing less and less faith in the project as a long term investment. "Event items are the antithesis" is absurd as the moment they are out of season they become yet another cash shop addition. That in itself is the Antithesis of your Antithesis statement, if they wanted to continue to vest interest and continue to make the players "Value" continue to grow with the game instead of collapse over time. Every peice of content added to the game and then removed to be placed on the cash shop devalues our subscription. Every. Single. Time.

Every item they move on to the cash shop shows they have more vested interest in getting as much money out of customers as fast as they possibly can instead of having a vested interest in having them subscribed for years to come. Yoshida may have grand plans for the game but it's apparant the higher ups aren't as convinced and Yoshida has done little to nothing to convince them. Otherwise we wouldn't see these cash shop shenanagins.

What it comes down to is that "It's fine that the developers deserve to get paid for all the content they make" They do, they deserve is and they currently get that with just our subscription dollars.

Your assumptions on how much money they make is unfounded and has no logic to follow through, things cost money to make yes. Far less than you seem to imagine. let's make a extremely conservative estimate of the current per month gross revenue based on subscriptions alone.

Let's say that the game has 400k active accounts

Based on this number alone at 15 bucks a month not counting legacy accounts as I've lowballed the subscriber base allready.

That's a gross profit of 6 million dollars a month on subscriptions alone, if your not operating at a profit after that I'm not sure what your spending your money on, Servers only cost so much I'm sure the costs roll around 3-4 million in operating costs and some more on. The game still makes solid cash without cash shop transaction.

[AlphaFox]

Just because I have items from the Mogshop doesn't mean I like the idea of it all being put in. I'd much rather everything be in the game and able to be got even if its a massive grind such as Fenrir or X amount of times doing something. However when I see everyone throw in and say "I want ___, I'll pay!" That just means they can stop putting in the extra work and just keep tossing it in the station. Hell, won't shock me if they get the wild hair to throw relic items inside and say "Sure, you can grind....or you can pay us to get your relic now!" Just remember, its not Pay 2 win if you can get it yourself.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

I was in agreement with your post until this part. Then you just became a condescending prick. Good job. Once someone resorts to calling someone else "bad" because they think a different way, that person loses any and all respect and credibility in my eyes.

And from the opposite perspective, not meeting their investors, or company's sales goals is no better. If they don't, the game could easily be considered a failure in their eyes, and then it'd be shut down. The alternative to shutting it down, would be the state it's already in but worse- not being given enough funding from SE. If they can't show SE it's worth the funding through good sales, then it just won't be funded.

That wasn`t the case when industry wasn`t plagued by people willing to just pay for the sake of paying without caring about things like quality or polish, if the game doesn`t recive the monetary support it will be because its bad and can`t retain population. Or thats how it should be, anyway, helping the "investors" doesn`t really help us at all in anycase all money they get goes to them, not the dev team, if you think anything of the money that goes through the cash shop supports the dev team, then you are just delusional.

I think you mean consumerism. I don't think you're qualified to diagnose someone's mental condition, in any case.

Indulging in ad hominem attacks doesn't make you right. It just makes you a jerk.

Oh i am, yet what im not qualified is english thought.

Odin Mount should be in game conten, retainer services offer a terrific edge to any player wanting to make gil. One is proof of content being put behind a paywall, the other is borderline P2W stuff.

And you are also bad.

Have a look at AF2



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Thing is Dragonlance set ingame is ugly as sin and no kind of dye would ever save it from the "cheap cosplay" look it has compared to the trailer or concept art. And is very very diferent from what the OP needs too.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

Honestly I love it dyed in white But thats different tastes of people I even prefer AF2 > AF1 at my DRG
Dont throw me in a fire pit for it please