Tutorials to teach players how to play effectively

[Vespar]

Note: Im sure there are many threads regarding this but despite the numerous searches I tried, I couldnt find one. With that said, here we go.

I know its been said before, but it would be greatly appreciated if SE would create some kind of "Tutorial System" to help players learn how to properly play their respective classes.

For example, last night I was in Dusk Vigil and I was queued with a Ninja. This ninja had no idea that he should be using Huton and instead just repeatedly cast Suiton. He also wasnt combo-ing his actions at all, so the monster was not receiving the DoTs from the combo-actions. I tried to help teach him, and he was polite and accepting of my advice, but he really had no clue. He'd gone through 40-some levels not knowing how to play his class at all and no else had bothered to teach him. I have seen this far too many times recently to count. Many players are not understanding how to play their job effectively and this isn't something the game teaches. Most of us learned to play better because we were yelled at by another dungeon runner. That negativity could be avoided if the game were to instruct players with solo tutorial dungeons similar to the upcoming "Stone, Sky, Sea".

The mentor system may also help with this, but it requires players to "seek" the assistance of others. In the case of that ninja, he didnt even know he was doing it wrong so he never thought to ask for "assistance." Having tutorial dungeons to teach players how, when or why they need to use certain actions or in what order to use them, would be a great help to both the player and anyone else they meet after the fact in a dungeon. Each class is different and new players may not realize the intricacies of their class. I think there should be several tiers of Tutorials implemented. For example one at level 30 when players gain their soul-crystal and really start getting into more intricate job play, and another at level 50 to ensure they understand the functions of their class.

The Stone, Sky, Sea may not be enough. Especially if its only implemented for high level players. Stone,Sky, Sea wont teach a person HOW to improve. It will only highlight that their DPS/Heals/Gear isnt up to snuff.

[Zojha]

Most of us learned to play better because we were yelled at by another dungeon runner.

*cough*
And how did "they" learn...?

[Vespar]

*cough*
And how did "they" learn...?

People yelling at other players and "instructing" them through aggression is not a very good learning method. It just makes people upset and deters new players from wanting to play. I wouldnt endorse this kind of "learning" to anyone. Unfortunately, Trial-by-fire as I like to call it, has been my experience with most older players trying to "teach" new players.

Some people are polite in trying to teach and dont immediately lash out when a player isnt playing right, but its unfortunately not commonplace. At least not in the dungeons I have been in that warranted it. The other side of this is that the new player lashes out at unwanted advice. If the game were to instruct players through tutorials we wouldnt have all this animosity and negativity in dungeons, and everyone would be the better for it, because we'd all have a good grasp on how to play. From there it would be up to the player to tweak and refine their basic job rotation.

[Caitlinzulu]

Yelling at people is the worst way of teaching anyone. If you can even call it teaching?
Instead of teaching it depresses people and may even lead them to quit the game altogether.
Is it so hard to talk/give instructions to people normally?

Yelling is the sign of incompetent arrogant person you dont want.

[The_Greatest_Evil]

Let they play the way they want. You are not the big boss of them. I love BLM that use just ice and single rotation. And love WHM that use clearic stance. I also love ninjas that use the rabbit. And monk's that use just combos. Or made a world just for casuals without the elitism. They are paying for the game and they deserve to have fun.

[Morbid]

I swear these post always come off as people who just 'learned' how to play and now feel the need to validate that by making one of these regurgitated ass threads. Didn't SE just announce beginners hall? Training dummy trials and the mentor program?

Can we let this be implemented first now that we know it's officially incoming?

[Caitlinzulu]

But its soo much fun to regurgitate my a.s XP

[Vespar]

Let they play the way they want. You are not the big boss of them. I love BLM that use just ice and single rotation. And love WHM that use clearic stance. I also love ninjas that use the rabbit. And monk's that use just combos. Or made a world just for casuals without the elitism. They are paying for the game and they deserve to have fun.

I apologize if my OP came off as elitist to you. This thread wasnt meant to come off that way at all. I am by no means telling people how to play. I was asking the developers to help us create a method that instructs players on how to play, because a good chunk of newer players really don't know what their actions do or how to chain them. I was guilty of this too. Back when I first started as a BLM I used to just sit there and spam Fire 3 until I was out of mana, then cast Blizzard 3 to replenish it. It wasnt until someone in my relic Chimera-fight was nice enough to tell me about "Firestarter" and how to use it to get free Fire 3's. I had no idea. And I appreciated the insight. And I learned how to be an even more effective BLM from it because of the manner in which he started the conversation. He wasn't rude in the way he brought about the conversation either. He asked "Hey can I make a suggestion?" and things politely followed from there.

Nowadays all I see is something akin to "WTF BRO, WHY ARENT YOU USING "insert X action here"? This isnt a very good way to initiate a conversation much less help someone learn how to play better.

[Vespar]

But its soo much fun to regurgitate my a.s XP

As I said in my OP, I already apologized for not being able to find the previous threads on this and add my feedback that way. Sorry if its regurgitating an old topic. But its still relevant to players.

[WellFooled]

I apologize if my OP came off as elitist to you.

Don't engage trolls in conversation Vespar, it will only lead you down a dark path.

On topic though, I agree with Morbid. SE just announced a bunch of features to help new players learn the ropes, I think it's silly to ask for more until we see how those features turn out.