Black Mage 'Sleep' action in Dungeons

[Kaurie]

Bleh, need morning coffee, edited to correct class, but still get the gist of what I was trying to say.

The thing is, only THM/BLM and CNJ/WHM can cast sleep. A THM in everything post level 18 should cast Fire II over sleep. A CNJ after level 4 should multi-dot over casting sleep.

[Gralna]

The thing is, only THM/BLM and CNJ/WHM can cast sleep. A THM in everything post level 18 should cast Fire II over sleep. A CNJ after level 4 should multi-dot over casting sleep.

Ideally, yes, but also ran into situations where using Fire II wasn't as fast, namely tanks that refuse to hold hate on anything other than their target.

Had a Gld in haukke once that refused to use Flash since it didn't do any dmg, healer was pulling aggro with first heal on anything Gld wasn't attacking, I'd pull hate if I tried to use Fire II, and after we all realized tank wasn't going to change his playstyle, I just switched to sleeping everything, was also before vote kick was added, so guess nowadays you'd just kick a tank that bad.

Also, sleep doesn't break from dots, if you cast sleep after dots are already applied.

[SendohJin]

Also, sleep doesn't break from dots, if you cast sleep after dots are already applied.

but it will break to Overpower and whatever the DRK AOE move is. most people are not going to learn how to play with sleep when it's only viable with a PLD tank and a BLM DPS. in most DF situations you won't get that.

[Kaurie]

Ideally, yes, but also ran into situations where using Fire II wasn't as fast, namely tanks that refuse to hold hate on anything other than their target. Had a Gld in haukke once that refused to use Flash since it didn't do any dmg, healer was pulling aggro with first heal on anything Gld wasn't attacking, I'd pull hate if I tried to use Fire II, and after we all realized tank wasn't going to change his playstyle, I just switched to sleeping everything, was also before vote kick was added, so guess nowadays you'd just kick a tank that bad.

Fair enough. For me in this scenario, I'd just tank it. Haukke is weak enough that a healer can easily keep a BLM alive as they are Fire II'ing mobs, and it would be a learning opportunity for the tank to start using flash. The healer should be able to keep themselves alive too, if they pull and you opt for solo kills. It would be best, imo, to kill the pack as fast as possible.

Also, sleep doesn't break from dots, if you cast sleep after dots are already applied.

Oh, I am fully aware, but you will need to re-apply dots and that will wake up mobs. If you have a trash pack of 4+ mobs, if you dot all 4 then sleep, you'll need to restart dot applications - that sleep GCD should have gone to healing the tank. If on less than 4 mobs, then sleep is really unnecessary.

but it will break to Overpower and whatever the DRK AOE move is. most people are not going to learn how to play with sleep when it's only viable with a PLD tank and a BLM DPS. in most DF situations you won't get that.

It is most definitely not viable with a BLM DPS :|

[Maero]

It does have it's uses if you are with new players and such but really not needed
Sleep in PVP on the other hand...

[MagiusNecros]

Sleep in Endgame is mostly just a PvP skill or a get away option from stuff in the overworld. We would need an upgrade in lieu of a spell like Break to get our crowd control options back. I highly dislike these one off skills they put into a job's kit to never use ever again.