When will we get info on class changes?

[Bluebun]

Yea yea im grasping at straws, and yes Physic I would rather the CNJ be the BLM :P

It's not going to happen. They gave CON all the AoE cures and raises. They increased nuking potential for Banish and Scourge. Even look at the materia: VIT can be attached to Con weapons but not THM weapons, INT can be attached to THM weapons but not CON weapons. They did this with the mindset to increase THM nuking potential, and CON's enhancing magic potential.

[Lebannen]

In the live letter im guessing like everyone else.

[StateAlchemist]

They already added Curaga and Rebirth to CNJ, what's the point if they are going to make THM a white mage? Wouldn't they have given THM Sacrifice-ga? Or something... As it is atm you don't go around looking for a THM as your main healer. I for one am geared for "end-game" with an enfeebling set of gear and a DD set of gear. Is my Sac III decent? Sure it hits normally for 700~HP and crits up to about 1200HP but CNJ still beats me everytime for heals. Not to mention they have Protect/Shell/Stoneskin/etc... I think of THM in terms of a SCH and I think of CNJ in terms of a RDM as they are at the moment. Well sort of.

[Firon]

I love how people keep saying but CNJ has the elemental in their lore, mostly all spells have some type of element to them even Paralyna etc. Nukes are not the only spells in the game with elements tied to them. That life and death bull shit needs to go, the THM's guild that players join don't give a flying fuck about life, only death so that argument is invalid

[Sephrick]

I love how people keep saying but CNJ has the elemental in their lore, mostly all spells have some type of element to them even Paralyna etc. Nukes are not the only spells in the game with elements tied to them. That life and death bull shit needs to go, the THM's guild that players join don't give a flying fuck about life, only death so that argument is invalid

Quite the aggressive post.

You're correct, all spells do have an elemental association. But nukes are the purest for of said elements one could conjur.

And cures are Astral magic, one of the two elements Thaumaturges deal with.

THM lore doesn't focus solely on death. They're not a group of nihilistic emo kids hanging out at the mall. It seems like it focuses on death because of the consideration about their power and the question of if they could resurrect the dead.

Fact is, it can go either way, which is why Yoshida said we'll know when we see the class changes.

[Velhart]

Quite the aggressive post.

You're correct, all spells do have an elemental association. But nukes are the purest for of said elements one could conjur.

And cures are Astral magic, one of the two elements Thaumaturges deal with.

THM lore doesn't focus solely on death. They're not a group of nihilistic emo kids hanging out at the mall. It seems like it focuses on death because of the consideration about their power and the question of if they could resurrect the dead.

Fact is, it can go either way, which is why Yoshida said we'll know when we see the class changes.

If people look up what THM's actually are, they are considered "miracle workers". Sounds more like WHM to me.

[Physic]

If people look up what THM's actually are, they are considered "miracle workers". Sounds more like WHM to me.

lol once again, in japanese its curse user, dont take the etymology of a translated word to literally.

[Velhart]

lol once again, in japanese its curse user, dont take the etymology of a translated word to literally.

Perhaps, but isn't using this a good excuse to make WHM derive from the THM class?

[Inaaca]

I love how people keep saying but CNJ has the elemental in their lore, mostly all spells have some type of element to them even Paralyna etc. Nukes are not the only spells in the game with elements tied to them. That life and death bull shit needs to go, the THM's guild that players join don't give a flying fuck about life, only death so that argument is invalid

The elemental aspect of CNJ lore goes well beyond the fact that they have elemental nukes. The guild literally defines what a CNJ is as the physical extension of the elements in your person. The CNJs speak to and deal with elementals as a critical part of what they do on a daily basis. Sure, every spell has an element, BUT those elementals don't come in astral and umbral, only the 6 elements of nature (fire, ice, wind, lightning, water, earth), matching CNJ nukes and the elements that BLM historically uses.

As for THM, they worship the god Nald'Thal, who deals in life and death. The THM guild is stationed in the Hall of Thal, and Thal is the half that deals in death. WHM, once introduced, can provide the balance THM needs, by filling the role stationed in the Hall of Nald, and taking up the half that deals in life. This completes the balance that THM is lacking in their lore.

[Physic]

The elemental aspect of CNJ lore goes well beyond the fact that they have elemental nukes. The guild literally defines what a CNJ is as the physical extension of the elements in your person. The CNJs speak to and deal with elementals as a critical part of what they do on a daily basis. Sure, every spell has an element, BUT those elementals don't come in astral and umbral, only the 6 elements of nature (fire, ice, wind, lightning, water, earth), matching CNJ nukes and the elements that BLM historically uses.

As for THM, they worship the god Nald'Thal, who deals in life and death. The THM guild is stationed in the Hall of Thal, and Thal is the half that deals in death. WHM, once introduced, can provide the balance THM needs, by filling the role stationed in the Hall of Nald, and taking up the half that deals in life. This completes the balance that THM is lacking in their lore.

I think what it boils down to, is whether one thinks of a black mage as an elementalist or a dark magic user. conjurer is definately the elementalist, and thaum is the dark /light magic user (but in this game we are mostly exposed to the dark magic user)
the real problem, is in their very creation, they wanted to not have the concept of i just heal and i just do dmg in these mage classes, one is supposed to work via elements the other via life and death. Now they want to make a large shift, and make them fit roles they were never meant for.

basically we cant look to lore, history and such to decide who will do what, because the truth is thaum and con both were made so they could either be a whm or a blm.

but looking at their recent changes, it seems con is leaning heavily toward whm, while its possible they could go 180 and let whm settle on thm, based on the job changes and the stat distributions and what not, it seems slightly more likely that thaum will get blm, the major thing making this a bit questionable, is the ancient magics, fairly powerful elemental nukes dont really gel well with our old concept of whm.

But who knows maybe the new whm wont be a pansypants with no elemental abilities.