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    Flo Fyloord
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    If the boss isn't a valid target ( focus target doesn't even show their name like the first boss in neverfun) or they have an invulnerability buff ( like living liquid during their taxis), wildfire won't deal it's damage.

    Theres a lot more factors that can get in the way of a perfect wildfire versus( timing accommodations and having any other target in range means you are losing at least 100 potency off the bat) other jobs with its burst, and I'd say that it's the most detrimental dps loss if it does not run its full course (since the damage is dealt at the end versus it being spread throughout)
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    Quote Originally Posted by aabe View Post
    If a job that is miles away from needing a nerf got nerfed there would be an uproar? Got me there mane

    You have to keep in mind I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you that MCH can/should have some changes done to make it less of a chore to play. I'm not trying to achieve anything really; the reason I say "diva" is because the vast majority of MCH players I run into that have complaints seem to think their job is the hardest thing ever and you gotta put in SOOOO much more effort than everyone else and still come out subpar in the end and blahblahblah it's really not very difficult to play or complicated.
    It's really not hard to get you as you say. Your arguments are nothing more then temper tantrums.
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    Aika Kayoi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlady View Post
    It's really not hard to get you as you say. Your arguments are nothing more then temper tantrums.
    Actually my arguments were clearly spelled out on the last page, the only counterargument you've provided is this and a senseless analogy.

    Quote Originally Posted by fm_fenrir View Post
    Compared to BRD, it really is. Wildfire is so central to the job's DPS right now that if you botch a wildfire and end up with two mildfires
    but thats the thing, what do you consider "botching" a wildfire? You messed up and had to reapply dot/buff during? You accidentally forgot to use an off gcd during? You accidentally used it as the boss was about to jump? That's ignoring the fact that said mistakes have equivalents on other jobs, and wildfire doesn't actually contribute all that much to MCH's overall DPS to where making a mistake during it is anywhere near as bad as it's constantly been implied.
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    Last edited by aabe; 02-10-2016 at 05:51 AM.

  4. #34
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    If wildfire doesn't go off at all, that's a ~25% damage cooldown wasted with no compensation, versus a 25% buff to all damage. It's equivalent but I wouldn't say it's relatively weighted the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiceisNice View Post
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    And that cooldown contributes to ~5-8% of your overall DPS through a quick look at any FFlogs parse so missing one out of a ten minute fight is not a loss anywhere on the scale of what's implied here. Making a mistake such as letting a wildfire drop is silly since downtime happens at the same time every time outside of % pushes which are honestly even more obvious. It just goes back to what I was saying that it's not really an easy mistake to make.

    The way wildfire works makes the job more tedious than others in the case of adds and downtime and whatnot, and a MCH doing amazingly will do much better than a MCH playing average, but it's contribution is way overstated here.
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    Last edited by aabe; 02-10-2016 at 01:49 PM.

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    Tacit Greystorm
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    Bard Lv 60
    I personally haven't touched Bard since I hit 60 and went through A1-4 Normal. I just don't like the play style anymore. Call me a casual, but I don't like playing casters. It's a shame because Bard was my favorite class. I've been trying other jobs to fill the void. Ninja and Astrologian have been pretty fun.
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