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    Quote Originally Posted by technole View Post
    I'm holding my breath for now because in his last interview he eluded they may have to change some card abilities if they make it possible to not re-draw same card. It was mentioned RNG was the reason card potencies were buffed the way they were initially.
    I'd be surprised if they nerf the card potency at all in line with this, since AST is still playing second-fiddle to the standard WHM/SCH combo. They're certainly far more capable than they used to be, but they aren't exactly sought after in my experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alahra View Post
    I'd be surprised if they nerf the card potency at all in line with this, since AST is still playing second-fiddle to the standard WHM/SCH combo. They're certainly far more capable than they used to be, but they aren't exactly sought after in my experience.
    I won't be surprised at all. ASTs are stronger than WHMs now, but the latter has the edge in allowing more room for error plus is generally considered the beginner/encounter-friendly healer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FeliAiko View Post
    I won't be surprised at all. ASTs are stronger than WHMs now, but the latter has the edge in allowing more room for error plus is generally considered the beginner/encounter-friendly healer.
    Potency wise, Noc AST > WHM > Diurnal AST, so it depends on which sect you're saying AST is stronger than WHM. In sheer potency from abilities (aka. Divine Seal) I still firmly place WHM as the stronger raw healer, even over Noc AST.
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    I will cry if they nerf the cards (Q _ Q)
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjw View Post
    Potency wise, Noc AST > WHM > Diurnal AST, so it depends on which sect you're saying AST is stronger than WHM. In sheer potency from abilities (aka. Divine Seal) I still firmly place WHM as the stronger raw healer, even over Noc AST.
    Cooldown strength wise astrologian is stronger in pure healing strength. But white mage may regain it's standing if the new raids require multiple healing cooldown usage over synastry.
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    I'm happy about the non repeat card
    And I hope for a reduced CD too !

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    I would love for them to adjust the stat party bonus for the healer
    At least that they all gave the same (half piety half mind)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlady View Post
    Cooldown strength wise astrologian is stronger in pure healing strength. But white mage may regain it's standing if the new raids require multiple healing cooldown usage over synastry.
    Going to have to disagree there. There are more cooldowns beyond just Synastry that each job can use. If we compare cooldowns that are in the same vein of each other, the only cooldown AST has which is superior to WHM is Disable VS Virus.

    Asylum and Collective Unconscious are pretty much equal; CU has a stronger base heal, but it doesn't have the same freedom as Asylum due to how it forces AST to essentially be out of commission for at least 1 GCD, and the movement required.

    Tetragramatton VS Essential Dignity; these two are also quite equal in usage. Tetra is more reliable whereas ED is more flexible.

    Divine Seal and Synastry; Synastry has an added perk of double the single heal, however, the 30% healing buff from Divine Seal makes it a lot more flexible AND more potent in the long run. CU and Synastry also suffer from overhealling, which is definitely not ideal.

    Presence of Mind and Lightspeed; PoM is already superior to Lightspeed by virtue of it actually decreasing cast AND recast time. Lightspeed is only superior in that it can be used while dodging, but in terms of healing throughput, PoM wins.

    However, WHM has two cooldowns AST do not have, and essentially two of their strongest cooldowns. Benediction and Assize. There's no equivalent in the AST arsenal for those two abilities. If we're talking pure and raw healing, those two abilities are THE rawest heals that shine in the WHM arsenal.

    On the flip hand, AST can extend any of its buffs with Celestial Opposition, however, CO is so inflexible that it may as well not be considered in the spectrum of comparisons. It's effect on healing throughput is negligible.
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