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  1. #121
    Player Theodric's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer View Post
    They did that with the first set of Scholasticate quests, and do you know how people described them?

    Boring.

    (I actually liked them, but I'm also interested in how they were setting up the current social system in Ishgard more than anything)
    I was thinking more along the lines of something truly gritty and engaging. An in-depth murder mystery, perhaps, or riddled with intrigue. I didn't dislike the Scholasticate quests but the cynic in me firmly believes that it was planned to be a Hildibrand style story all along. You need to have completed the Hildibrand quests to even tackle it and whilst I found some of the characters quirky and interesting...it seems like it'll inevitably be the same story about unwashed peasants overcoming their betters that we've seen so many times before.

    If I'm not mistaken they've even for the guy responsible for Vagrant Story, FFXII and Final Fantasy Tactics on the development team. If that's true then it is my hope that they'll assign him to the task of going all out and creating some pretty engaging and morally grey side stories. Hildibrand can show up somewhere, since that's pretty inevitable, but I have a nasty feeling that 'bizarre facial expressions' and 'comedy quests' are going to overtake seasonal events and side quests as we move forward. I left WoW for that reason and I really, really don't want to see FFXIV go down that same road.

    I don't mean to be so negative but I'm just passionate about the game. Heck, I don't even mind humour if it's clever and witty - but Hildibrand is excessive 'potty' humour and that just bores me.

    Sadly I realise that I'm very much in the minority though. But it is my firm belief that varied side quests are important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    I was thinking more along the lines of something truly gritty and engaging.
    I agree with you, to a point. I enjoy a good story as much as the next person but you can't have it all doom and gloom without something to lighten the moment. The craziness in the Hildibrand quests is that balance for the rest of the game, which despite some light-hearted moments and whitty scenes, still retains an overly serious note upon all things, yes even grinding.

    As a lore nut, I'd prefer more lore quests, hell even a library in game with books to read that detail various aspects. I was sad in Grubal Library because I couldn't stop to read the books, which while a distraction from the dungeon's point, provided some unique insights into the world of Eorzea at large which until that point hadn't even been touched on, for example, the naming sytem of Garlemald (Livia Sans Junius vs. Lucia Goe Junius though they're sisters).
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  3. #123
    Player Theodric's Avatar
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    Oh, I agree that it shouldn't be all doom and gloom. Every Final Fantasy game has had it's quirky, weird and often unintentionally hilarious moments. I still laugh more than I should at the infamous 'This guy are sick.' translation error in FF7...

    To the credit of the developers I did find the lore surrounding Ul'dah and Sil'dah revealed in the Hildibrand quests to be very interesting. I just can't stand Hildibrand or Godbert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    I just can't stand Hildibrand or Godbert.
    Not that I didn't enjoy the case we pursued for 2.0 to 3.0 (Gilgamesh and Sil'dih backstory were really fun, and some humorous FF references just don't belong in XIV outside of an arc like Hildy's), but I do miss what (I felt) Hildibrand originally was - a sort of proxy for the player, stumbling through the Calamity asking every single question we were ... but then answering them all completely, hilariously wrong - hijinks ensue.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hildibrand
    So, these are the famous verses of prophecy. Their cryptic words fairly reek with the scent of an unsolved case! And we cannot, of course, forget the man of mystery himself. You are the enigmatic prophet of whom the rumors speak, are you not, Master Hoary-anger?
    Quote Originally Posted by Urianger
    Call me what thou wilt─it is of no matter. I but speak the prophecy. For “crimson flame,” set “scarlet fire” if thou list, the path of fate remaineth ever unaltered.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hildibrand
    Hmm. “Crimson flame,” you say? ...Can it be? Do you speak of the red moon─of Dalamud!? Are you hinting at some ominous change taking place beneath its celestial surface!? Do the words of the prophecy hold the key to solving the Case of the Ever-expanding Moon!? Yes! I see now why you have come to me, Hildibrand, agent of enquiry, inspector extraordinaire! I have the right of it, do I not, Master Yearly-anchor!?
    Quote Originally Posted by Urianger
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    I but speak the prophecy. These verses which thou termest “key” serve as warning, and rousing call both.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hildibrand
    Ah, my dear Master Holy-rancor, I sense you fear this case unsolvable! Well you need not fret!
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  5. #125
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    I thought the Scholisticate quests were great. For me they answered on of the issues that I felt the MSQ wasn't going to have time to look into deeply and I was concerned was going to get passed over: The cultural impact on Ishgard's society of the revelations they faced, particularly with Ishgard being such a religious society. What the Scholisticate quests did was create a model in a sense of how the attitudes within Ishgard were playing out with the different students representing different elements within Ishgard society.

    From a world building and lore perspective this was a much bigger deal than having a light hearted Hildibrand quest or something more dark and gritty. We did get some dark and gritty with the HW launch MSQ after all.
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  6. #126
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belhi View Post
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    I agree, they helped fill that social impact void for me, it was what I was hoping to see in the 3.1 MSQ. I was just stating what I saw on the General Forums and other websites about them. There was a lot of apathy and boredom in general discussed. The unfortunate truth is that not everyone cares for lore and many of those who do, look at it only shallowly.
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  7. #127
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    In regards to 3.1 I have a theory that the original plan was to have a 'The Vault (Hard)' as the patches third dungeon. It makes sense to me because we got a duty there but...the entire story surrounding the place being taken over by Ishgardian's loyal to the Archbishop felt like it ended very abruptly. We didn't see what happened to the guy who threw the kid from atop the building, for example, nor did we actually get to fight him. The problem is it seems like the developers are splitting stuff up as to not gate it behind story quests. Not everybody enjoys slogging through the story, naturally, but ultimately it's a Final Fantasy game and that is a large draw for a great many players. I'd rather not see the core target audience shunned too heavily.

    Which, incidentally, also means that I wish they'd put less focus on 'funny' pop culture references and Hildibrand and more focus on great storytelling. I'll be eager to see if 3.2 has the same impact as 3.0 in regards to appeasing my desire for that. 3.1 didn't do much in that regard and I know I'm not alone given that a lot of role-players I've spoken to feel the same way. A small portion of the community, yes, but role-players are typically heavily invested in a game's story.
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    I hate to do this is that you Moose or have I got the wrong person ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    We didn't see what happened to the guy who threw the kid from atop the building, for example, nor did we actually get to fight him.
    Go have a talk with Hilda in the Brume next time you get a chance. She will tell you about him.
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  10. #130
    Player Theodric's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mholito View Post
    Go have a talk with Hilda in the Brume next time you get a chance. She will tell you about him.
    Interesting. So Ishgard is still employing torture even after joining the Eorzean Alliance, eh? Wonderful!
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