VIT will scale with attack power, STR will scale but not as much

[Sarcatica]

@kaisinel, Your sentiment is correct, but your attitude is horrible and annoying. You can't just say with that "clear content, then talk to me" attitude. It sucks and doesn't bring much to the table.

Not all healers are comfortable with tanks running full slaying and you have to acknowledge it.

People seem to have the misconception of the whole STR/VIT idea. The only reason why STR is way preferred nowadays is just because tanks in general realize that they don't even need that much HP to survive. Great tanks know how much fluff damage they can take without CDs and how many CDs they need to tank tankbusters and KNOWING when those CDs will come up again for the next sets of tankbusters. I personally use mostly STR accs to a great success. But that doesn't take away the fact that the huge challenge is to MAXIMIZE your potential WHILE staying alive. That comes back to what healers you are with and not how you have always played. They are not the same, nor ever will be.

[Reynhart]

The only reason why STR is way preferred nowadays is just because tanks in general realize that they don't even need that much HP to survive.

The problem is that, with competent healers, full slaying can be "enough HP" to survive. Having a big HP pool is fine, but, since it doesn't change the damage you take or the healing you receive, in the flow of combat, it doesn't matter that much. If VIT had an impact on any of those, then the sweet spot for VIT vs STR would be far more interesting.

Well, it won't matter at the end of the month, anyway...

[Shurrikhan]

If VIT had an impact on healing received or damage taken, then the sweet spot for VIT vs STR would be far more interesting.

This.

Then we'd actually have some effective choices to work from, and a stepping stone for future choices in the game, rather than further moving away from the idea of any choices whatsoever.

[Reynhart]

For me, stats should been different, and EVERY job needs more than one main stat.
First, let's talk about VIT and PIE. HP/MP pool is really a no-brainer, because most people don't care about it. So, make HP/MP tied only to your level and your job. There, done.
As I said, VIT should either reduce damage (Like a permanent Stoneskin) or increase healing received. I'd like to PIE remove in favor of some stats to boost buffs you place on the party. Let's call it Charisma (Yeah, I know, lazy name). This stat would be interesting for all jobs that grant party buff, especially for BRD and MCH.

So, tanks need STR for damage and VIT for mitigation, BRD/MCH need DEX for damage and CHA for buffs. Casters should be reaaaally low on HP pool so, they'd also need some Vit boost to help them survive unavoidable damage. Healers would need MND for healing, but also CHA to increase buff like Protect, Regen, Stoneskin, etc...
And so on...

They really need to give the game more depth, or they'll quickly reach a dead end on what diversity they can offer.

[Velox]

There is no grinding lol. Why would anybody ignore vit accs? It might not be optimal for the current tank meta, but it doesn't mean its useless. Bad healers need the fluff to make sure you stay alive because well, they're bad. Even if you don't have them, there is literally 3 weeks before 3.2 drops and you can get an acc every week if you didn't buy any at all, couple that with doing VA every week, and you can have them 210 too. Baddies be bad.

Bad tanks need the fluff to make sure they stay alive because we'll, they're bad. They run around in STR accessories because that's what everyone else is doing and drop like flies because they have no concept of cooldown usage. Baddies be bad.

Not disagreeing with you, but the argument goes both ways. Just being fair as someone who mains both a tank and healer.

[Awful]

I'm full STR tank I enjoy the challenge of sacrificing my "tankiness" to output DPS that is MY choice. Honestly annoyed now that I am forced to play VIT because a bunch of crybabies have to complain.

Just nerf the shit out of all tanks at this point too. Make every skill "enhance enmity" and do only 50 potency. Cause to know we needz to hold hate and take hits. Make our CDs make us damn near invincible with out 45000k hp pools everyone thinks is required for fights. Please just break the classes more. GG!!!!

I'm sorry but a lot of people do not enjoy sacrificing their tankiness to be a better DPS I only do it because It's the META Tanks are supposed to be tanks, and our support is providing the extra DPS when we can get away with it. Yes you can push it to the max, yes you can push the ceiling, that's a personal thing but I can't tell you how ass backwards it is to be playing a tank that does more DPS than actual DPS. These changes are needed because we are T-A-N-K-S I have my drg/smn/nin/mch if I want to DPS and it's a lot more fun than playing tank DPS that's for sure, I can't wait to see all these STR tanks QQing a storm because "it isn't like the old days I remember when I did AS1 and had to tell the monks/drgs to greed on accessories huehue" that's bad game design when I can't even NEED on the item that is BIS for my CLASS!! Just clear AS1 4 times in 4 weeks and get a free one....yay i'm glad I kept all my fending from Alex Savage because that's all I got since I couldn't roll need on my friggen accessories.

So if you wanna complain that this change is garbage you think the developers want tanks only to be doing 50 potency then you truly do not grasp these changes at all they're tweaking tanks for the better there's a ton who enjoy the DPS lifestyle but it's coming to an end and thank god because i'm tired of joining DF groups and having tanks not in tank stance pulling everything and dieing. Or when they pull the boss out of grit, create no hate and the DPS/heals die because they want to out DPS the other DPS in my group, people want to be tankier rather than deal more dmg than the actual damage dealers I know I do.

You can't please everyone but as soon as you change 1 thing people come at it like torches hope to see you on Feb 23rd for the big ol' change I welcome it and now for raid gear I can actually need on upgrades instead of saying "wellp I only need 1 more page so...yay?"

[Jpec07]

Sorry to disappoint you but no I don't forget to have grit on and darkness and the occasional Blood weapon when I need to I know how to tank and not once have I ever had a healer complain ive in fact been given compliments on my Str tanking and holding big groups of Aoe's pulls

Syz never said you did? The point of Syz' post wasn't to say that Strength tanks are inherently inferior to Vitality tanks, it was to say that the divide between them has caused more tension in the community than perhaps anything else. I've never ever seen a character of another class be berated for their choice of gear, because it's incredibly straightforward. However, for tanks, it's a no-win scenario - regardless of which set you use, you run the risk of having someone call you a bad player and tell you you're doing it wrong and need to git gud - based solely on gear. And the tension is a huge problem, because it belittles people based on gear, not on skill. Instead of berating a tank who doesn't use any cooldowns (even on big pulls), people berate tanks because they have too much HP. And that's not okay.

That entire discussion, and the insult that you perceived (that wasn't there), is going away. By scaling tank AP with Vit, they're essentially uniting the two sides of the community under the same gearing goal: aggressive tanks want more Vitality because it will make them hit harder, and defensive tanks want more Vitality because it lets them soak more damage. The "choice" that everyone seems so attached to was never really there, because no matter what you "chose," it was never the right thing by other people's standards.

[Instrumentality]

I dunno if I just got really lucky or something while playing my like 4700+ dungeons since 2.0 (almost all as a tank), but I don't think I've ever been yelled at by anyone for wearing melded or strength jewelry as a tank?

Did I just miss the memo?

[kensatsu]

SE make this change, maybe because there was too much players arguing about Vit vs Str.
you can say you don't need all that HP.
This change is the answer for all the tank arguing about STR vs VIT for months.
Now players will arguing about this change for months i guess

[Jpec07]

I dunno if I just got really lucky or something while playing my like 4700+ dungeons since 2.0 (almost all as a tank), but I don't think I've ever been yelled at by anyone for wearing melded or strength jewelry as a tank?

Did I just miss the memo?

I've been yelled at for both. Though to be fair, I was only yelled at for my Slaying set a grand total of twice (and one of those I'm not even sure if I should count, because obvious troll was obvious). My FC healer prefers me to wear Fending most of the time in dungeons, but that's just because she is actually able to capitalize on the extra room my increased HP provides to heal more efficiently and spend more time in Cleric Stance spamming Holy (which, as I main PLD, actually makes for a lot more DPS).

I will say that this change is going to cheese some of A1S-A4S. With the additional 30-40% HP from full Fending, it's going to be kind of silly to see how little damage the tankbusters do by comparison. I just hope the 3.2 instances do proportionally more damage to compensate for this, or else Ex Roulette and Savage raiding are going to be incredibly boring.