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    Well, I was wrong, but I'm glad they're making Strength not completely useless.

    I do hope they refactor the leveling gear at some point, because this will complicate matters, but gearing for Vitality seems like it will be the most viable solution across the board. Glad I got on the train early.

    I'm also quietly hoping the patch notes tell us that they're doing something to make Parry more viable as a defensive stat. Otherwise, tank BiS might still pull some Slaying pieces into the mix (if a Fending piece somehow has enough Parry that its Crit-Det Slaying equivalent is still better).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge_Xero View Post
    So depending on how much STR will still effect damage, you may find that while tanks wont be stacking DPS accessories, the crafted accessories will be even stronger than they were.
    You cannot overmeld main stat in 3.2 so this will be impossible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Instrumentality View Post
    You cannot overmeld main stat in 3.2 so this will be impossible.
    Which is funny because the secondaries are so much less powerful in HW that it makes this new raid melding a little comical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
    Which is funny because the secondaries are so much less powerful in HW that it makes this new raid melding a little comical.
    Also just makes it less potentially game-breaking to allow, so why not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jpec07 View Post

    I do
    I'm also quietly hoping the patch notes tell us that they're doing something to make Parry more viable as a defensive stat. Otherwise, tank BiS might still pull some Slaying pieces into the mix (if a Fending piece somehow has enough Parry that its Crit-Det Slaying equivalent is still better).
    This is definitely something that can happen. I think I was working around with stats on ariyala earlier and if strength still has at minimum a .8 weighting to vitality (sheer speculation and it could be higher or lower) than you will see Strength accessories in certain slots that are say... accuracy/parry fending pieces when you can't use anymore accuracy. That being said this entire possibility goes to shit if you drop strength to around the .5 vit = 1 STR (1:2) mark. at that point you could have nothing but the fully allotted vitality on the accessory and the strength still wouldn't be better due to stat weights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babzy View Post
    This is definitely something that can happen. I think I was working around with stats on ariyala earlier and if strength still has at minimum a .8 weighting to vitality (sheer speculation and it could be higher or lower) than you will see Strength accessories in certain slots that are say... accuracy/parry fending pieces when you can't use anymore accuracy. That being said this entire possibility goes to shit if you drop strength to around the .5 vit = 1 STR (1:2) mark. at that point you could have nothing but the fully allotted vitality on the accessory and the strength still wouldn't be better due to stat weights.
    They did say the tanks could go Full Vit now, so the second option is more likely
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    Quote Originally Posted by Instrumentality View Post
    You cannot overmeld main stat in 3.2 so this will be impossible.
    yeah, but vit 5's and str 5's are readily available now. 15 main stat in the normal meld slots are really strong and could potentially cap out the main stats on the item depending on how many slots an item has. being able to take a Slaying accessory and slapping on say 45 Vitality with 3 meld slots (not saying that it's going to happen just that it could, especially with the crafted gear being as promoted as it is for the patch)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babzy View Post
    yeah, but vit 5's and str 5's are readily available now. 15 main stat in the normal meld slots are really strong and could potentially cap out the main stats on the item depending on how many slots an item has. being able to take a Slaying accessory and slapping on say 45 Vitality with 3 meld slots (not saying that it's going to happen just that it could, especially with the crafted gear being as promoted as it is for the patch)
    The norm will likely be vit tome/raid accessories with a single str 5 in each(assuming stat caps don't change, as right now you can't meld vit on vit accessories).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babzy View Post
    This is definitely something that can happen. I think I was working around with stats on ariyala earlier and if strength still has at minimum a .8 weighting to vitality (sheer speculation and it could be higher or lower) than you will see Strength accessories in certain slots that are say... accuracy/parry fending pieces when you can't use anymore accuracy. That being said this entire possibility goes to shit if you drop strength to around the .5 vit = 1 STR (1:2) mark. at that point you could have nothing but the fully allotted vitality on the accessory and the strength still wouldn't be better due to stat weights.
    It would be interesting if they added a Riposte mechanic of some kind - your next autoattack after successfully parrying an attack is given an additional 25-50 potency (maybe more). Giving it some DPS value would help greatly

    It's too early to speculate on this, but I guess I just really hope they do something to make it better. A 30% chance at 20% mitigation when wearing full Parry gear means roughly 6% overall mitigation on physical attacks - and that's a drop in the bucket with how slow damage in FFXIV goes out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
    Which is funny because the secondaries are so much less powerful in HW that it makes this new raid melding a little comical.
    Dervys done all the math and ran 4 different scenarios of how VIT/STR interacts with AP.

    Either, Secondaries for tanks will stay the same, or they'll blow up.
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