The trinity, party responsibility, and how to try and improve the game from within

[Fevelle]

as healers DPSing is a norm

Show me where on the ToS is it called a norm. Show me where on the game it says explicitly that "healers DPSing are a norm". It's a fine mentality, but this one line of your post irks me.

It is a norm forced by the community, not by the devs.

So it IS NOT a norm, just a common agreement between a large part of the playerbase. As a healer who DPS every time I can, it REALLY bothers me when people try to force healer DPS to people who don't want to do it.

[KaitlanKela]

Show me where on the ToS is it called a norm. Show me where on the game it says explicitly that "healers DPSing are a norm". It's a fine mentality, but this one line of your post irks me.

Healers have DPS abilities
Using all your abilities is considered "the norm" when playing a videogame
Therefore, Healers DPS is the norm

[Kaurie]

Perhaps there is a language barrier, and I'm sorry for using a word that may not be as known to people with ESL.

A norm is not an enforced rule, but is merely a typical set of behaviour adopted by the public.

From Merriam Webster:
Simple Definition of norm
norms : standards of proper or acceptable behavior
the norm : an average level of development or achievement
the norm : something (such as a behavior or way of doing something) that is usual or expected

Or here is a more detailed definition:
a principle of right action binding upon the members of a group and serving to guide, control, or regulate proper and acceptable behavior
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/norm

[Felis]

I'm not sure if you misquoted. I can't tell how that is related to what I said.

The dev's don't 'force' anything. They create content that encourages a playstyle.

they didn't intended it and will fix it with the next raid tier. So, healer dps will be not required anymore to clear something. Only to speed things up, if the healer want.

[Kaurie]

they didn't intended it and will fix it with the next raid tier. So, healer dps will be not required anymore to clear something. Only to speed things up, if the healer want.

Intention has nothing to do with it. They created content that encouraged it.

1. They provided healers with DPS skills
2. They gave each healer the ability to turn their main attribute for heals into a damage dealing attribute instantly
3. They made healing in dungeons toned down to easy levels
4. They rapidly threw gear upping the ilvls to the point that heals were more powerful than the content was tuned for, as well as tanks had more armor and HP than the content was tuned for

Between what they gave healers and how they tuned content, it opened a window for healers to contribute meaningful damage.

The fact that it was not intended is a failure on the development team. I'd like to hear ideas for how the development team could address that problem.

[KaitlanKela]

they didn't intended it and will fix it with the next raid tier. So, healer dps will be not required anymore to clear something. Only to speed things up, if the healer want.

Hey, the minute they make content that absolute requires healing 100% of the time or else we will wipe, I will be the first to embrace that and celebrate it.

However, not making Healer DPS required to clear something doesn't mean that it's not still encouraged. As long as healers only need to heal 50% of the time, healer DPS is still encouraged because there's literally nothing else for us to do. As long as there's space to fill, people will go above and beyond. And we should be encouraging that, instead of discouraging it, because that's how players get better.

[Fevelle]

Perhaps there is a language barrier, and I'm sorry for using a word that may not be as known to people with ESL.

A norm is not an enforced rule, but is merely a typical set of behaviour adopted by the public.

From Merriam Webster:
Simple Definition of norm
norms : standards of proper or acceptable behavior
the norm : an average level of development or achievement
the norm : something (such as a behavior or way of doing something) that is usual or expected

Or here is a more detailed definition:
a principle of right action binding upon the members of a group and serving to guide, control, or regulate proper and acceptable behavior
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/norm

From the link you posted:

"Norm (n.) - an authoritative standard."

So yes, maybe it was not a wise choice to use 'norm' to refer to Healer DPS.

[Felis]

Healers have DPS abilities
Using all your abilities is considered "the norm" when playing a videogame
Therefore, Healers DPS is the norm

Say that to the Summoners who never summon their Titan-Egi, so the tank can use his damage skills and don't have to build up enmity.

[KaitlanKela]

Say that to the Summoners who never summon their Titan-Egi, so the tank can use his damage skills.

Okay, if you wanna split hairs, how's this

"Using all your abilities appropriately is the norm for a video game"

I would have thought that obvious, but I guess I was wrong.

If a summoner never used Titan Egi when a tank was needed, then, yeah, that's not the norm and it shouldn't be considered the norm. That would be an accurate application of the concept.

[Istede]

I am social and friendly but many do not like my playstyle. I am a 100% healer, I do not dps.

I am just curious what you do as a healer that only heals, since there's not one instance in the game where you don't have downtime. Do you just stand around doing nothing? Do you spam heals even when everyone never dips below 95% health? Is that really fun for you?

I am a scholar main and if I didn't have the ability to DPS I wouldn't play the job at all. I've not done A4S yet, nor did I do any real Coil progression (2.55 baby), but I have yet to do a single fight in this game that really taxes my limits as a healer. Maybe a phase here or there where I need to really focus on what I am doing, but an entire fight or dungeon? As far as I know, no such thing exists.

The way I see it, my job isn't ONLY to heal, it's to make the run as fast as possible for everyone. You should be considerate of other peoples' time, and that applies to all roles.